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03:50 Well, sort of, I mean, yes, I suppose it's, everything's gearing up for Mobile World Congress presumably of tedious leaks about pricing for Samsung Galaxy s a last nights and stuff like that. But, and with your illness, probably plenty of leaks of other nature's. Yes indeed.
04:08 Well, let's start by talking about old things because apparently it's official that facebook is for old people or older people. Um, teens and young adults are apparently ditching mark Zuckerberg's social network as popularity among the over 55 surgeons according to a report covered by the Guardian this week. So in 2018, a two point 2,000,000 people between ages of 12 to 17, she's weird since, uh, you have to be [inaudible] facebook and four point 5,000,000 of 18 and 24 year olds will regularly use facebook in the UK. But that is about 700,000 people. Fewer than last year as younger people are defecting to services like snapchat. This is, according to the report the Guardian wrote up by e marketer and the Guardian points out that a surgeon, all the users means that the over 50 fives will become the second biggest demographic demographic of facebook users this year. Now, one of the many theories is that younger social network uses are being successfully poached away by snapchat as one of the marketers. Analysts said the needle in the last three years. Snapchat has more than doubled. It's take up rate among UK users of social networking sites and apps
05:25 all everywhere is full of stories about how snapchat is struggling and you know, it's, it's ideas are working and people are begging it to go back to previous versions of the APP. I just don't know if because I think people just use a lot of different things. I thought, I'm not disputing the fact that facebook skews older because I believe that, um, because it's the simplest one to use. The APP is simple. The website is simple. You just need to have some friends on there and you get to see what they're doing. Um, which is not like snapchat. Snapchat's an absolute living nightmare, but you know, so I'm not surprised that skews older and it always has a in the chat room right now, says that his 17 year old son says the kids in his year is year group uses facebook, but everyone younger than him uses snapchat.
06:14 So if you're born after [inaudible] he reckons I'm so, yeah, facebook is for the, for the elderly, for me and you in older. Obviously people are older than me, but they will feels older than it right now. But I still don't think that snap chat is the same. I don't think that snapchat does the same things as facebook does. Snapchat is very much in the moment kind of thing. And yes, that is true that people use it for, you know, obviously a lot of kids use it for that kind of thing where you keep up with, uh, you know, either your friends or celebrities, which is fine, but it isn't the same products as facebook is it. So if you want to have some sort of long-term meaningful kind of facebook is very good at taking your life and they're reminding you about all the things you did that you've forgotten a so you know, I'll look through and I'll see comments that are stupid from 10 years ago.
07:08 Comments that are slightly less stupid from five years ago. Comments from a year ago that all, you know, photos and stuff like that. Yeah. So I guess for young people that probably doesn't appeal quite so much because they have so much less life. I'm already. But what they will probably find is if they start using facebook a little bit, then as the years go on, they will be reminded of the things they did. They'll see photos of themselves being silly. It'll be lols left, right, and center. Whereas snapchat just doesn't exist like that. It, you know, it's something that happens now and then it's gone. Yeah. And to compare facebook and snapchat is interesting because facebook tends to borrow features from snapchat quite liberally, liberally. You know, the stories feature that it has and that's in instagram is, is basically directly taken from a feature that snapchat has, that sort of ephemeral nature of, of posts that only appear for a short amount of time and Instagram, which in fact I'm steven in the chat room right now, is asking about, you know, instagram is an interesting one because it is the alternative to snapchat and a lot of people are leaving snapchat for instagram because more of their friends are there.
08:20 In fact, on a tns this week, Veronica Belmont was saying that she left snapchat for instagram because that's simply where her friends are and it was just a better place to interact with people. For her. It sort of makes me laugh in a way because it's not that I don't understand how to use snapchat. I do it. It's not that hard. It's just that it's, it's not very nice. I don't like it very much. I find it, um, it's got a lot of, um, commercially driven content specialists around that, you know, it's not impossible to keep in touch with people. I can see why young people enjoy it because of course it got it, got it. Gives them an opportunity to do things that aren't kept. Um, you know, there's, it's not like as a permanent record of it. Um, well allegedly not. I mean obviously we, I guess there's no real way to say what snap does and doesn't keep, but whereas on facebook you are constantly reminded of things.
09:13 So therefore, especially as you're growing up, it probably is a little bit less desirable to have facebook constantly reminding you of the things you said a year ago. But I don't think mean I've gone on about that quite a bit. I don't think that's the only issue. Um, I, I certainly couldn't see my parents or my mom. My mom refuses with all this kind of stuff, but my mom would never use snapchat in a million years. But it's not like I don't think she could. I just, yeah, like I don't think there's any reason. So, and even instagram, which is all about pretty pictures, um, you know, I don't, I surprisingly, people don't use that more really well, the chat rooms, talking about how instagram is a lot more easy to use, a lot easier to use than, than snapchat. And certainly that's, that's the way I see it as well. I use instagram and instagram is part of the facebook universe and a has over. I think the last figure I saw was something like 800,000,000 users of instagram and there will be massive crossover there as a platform with almost a billion users in its own right. It's still a force to be reckoned with. So even if facebook is cannibalizing itself a little bit, maybe it's doing so in order to get people onto instagram and not snapchat.
10:20 Instagram is more of a competitor for twitter than it is for facebook. Rarely I don't, I don't see that as a crossover. I can see why facebook wants to be in that space because no one's using facebook, like twitter, are they? I W I would have to massively disagree with that because simply because twitter is so much geared towards now being a kind of news outlet, whereas instagram much as it would like to be a place for news, it's really still mostly a place for celebrities and your friends and not what I think is true of twitter is amongst the people who really liked it and I admit that's a much smaller group than the like facebook. Um, those people are probably using twitter a lot more than facebook users use facebook. I, W I would suggest the, the, the, the engaged audience on twitter is probably better than the engaged audience on facebook.
11:12 But again, none of it matters really because, you know, I, I think people will always come to services that offer them features they want. And I believe that facebook is at least I don't like facebook, but I can see why people use it and I can see why I use it. Well, just before we close this topic, there was a separate analyst quoted in the Guardian piece who raised an interesting point I thought here, which is the older people tend to be leaked to the Internet party, but adoption tends to find it's way through to the demographics eventually and with facebook's video and photo experience, it's a platform they want to be on to keep up with the social live lives of their children and grandchildren and that makes sense
11:54 up until the point that their grandchildren aren't using facebook.
11:57 Well even so even if your, your, the, the point is I guess the parents are putting photos on facebook of their children and their parents are looking at those photos of the children. I don't think it's about grandparents and started keeping up with their 15 year old children because that's never going to happen.
12:14 Well, all you old, um, and I'm using snapchat. Are you young and using facebook and let us know how you're using these networks and if you do not fit into these pigeon holes. Hello at tech podcast dot UK. Very interested to hear your thoughts.
12:33 Church spires in the UK could be used to boost mobile and brought mobile phone coverage and broadband penetration in rural areas under an agreement between the UK government and the Church of England. This is according to the BBC now, while agreement. While the agreement encourages churches to sign up, they still have to negotiate the usual planning, a planning process, which we have seen problems in that regard in the past. One of the examples being rural landowners who have in the past stood in the way of improvements. Like there was the, uh, the interest across the, a barren land, baron, I forget his name, but in Devon, and he blocked plans for super-fast broadband in the little village he lived in because he owned the lens that beatie wanted to put four poles in, in order to distribute better broadband to the village. And he said, no, you can't.
13:28 And so essentially the village never got it. So the church and, and whoever is taking advantage of this proposal, they're still going to have to negotiate that sort of thing, but it. But it should hopefully at least be easier. I mean, a church already exists and it will bring money into that church, which, you know, most churches a badly underfunded and in risk of ruin and um, and basically being abandoned. And I remember when I was going incidentally in Devon last year, I went into a church [inaudible] I am not religious, but I do like old very old buildings and churches tend to be some of the best preserved old buildings in the country. So I do like to explore them and one of them had erected and basically a fully fledged café inside the building. So it was inviting people to come in. It wasn't like a temporary thing or a tea room. It was, it looked like a modern Costa type thing inside the church. And it jogs a little bit because it looks kind of desperate and that made it a bit sad. But at the same time it did allow the church to remain open. So maybe this is something that could help. What are your thoughts? Might
14:35 it makes total sense? Because obviously it is, but particularly in this country to villages and small towns and stuff like that tended to spring up around churches like, I mean, you know, obviously that's not how it's done anymore. Um, but you know, historically a vintage will around a church, so therefore it makes some sense to have churches as the centerpiece of mobile coverage. I guess they're also often tall buildings, which most residential villages aren't a, they can often be on top of hills as well because, you know, that's closer to God and the kind of, the mentality of the people who were building the church has. Um, so yeah, a smart idea. Like you say, it will bring in some money as long as you're not in impeding the look of the building. Like I can't see many people having much problem with it. Uh, the only question of course will be, what will the parishioners be doing in church now they've got ultra fast for GE.
15:32 Would they be paying attention? I wonder. Well, quite opens up some interesting opportunities and that's a theological debate for another day. But apparently two thirds of Anglican churches iron such rural areas so it really could make a massive difference to the coverage of, of mobile and broadband. I was sort of thought when we were talking, you know, I mean, you still have this problem so it's not going away. But when, when broadband was really just getting started, I always suggested it would be better rather than using phone exchanges for um, being the hub to which people connected. I thought it would make more sense for bcs to run fast backbones out to schools. Um, and then, you know, say to each school, well, we'll put this equipment in your basement, will give you a little bit of money each week or each month and then you know, that'll help pay for education, blah, blah blah.
16:20 But you'll also be able to reach more people with fast broadband because there are more schools than there are phone exchanges. You know, you might, an area might have one phone exchange, but it might have 20 schools or maybe 10 schools or something like that. I'm just thinking about my local area and how many buildings there are here that are dedicated to education. Um, so I always sort of thought perhaps that would be one way of sort of encouraging growth for broadband. Of course I'm not in charge of anything, so my ideas are generally ignored a, but this is a, you know, a sort of urban expansion on that because again, you know, like I say that central now the BBC reported that there's about, they're about a hundred and 20 examples of broadband and mobile service being delivered from parish churches already. Then that's according to figures from the Church of England.
17:06 Um, and these can take a variety of forms. It says from wireless transmitters inspires to Ariel's sometimes even satellite dishes and cabling, but I mean, the idea of a satellite dish stuck on the side of a fifteenth century church to me isn't ideal, but they can't have the same time when it is. But you can do anything. I mean, satellite dishes are round and dislike, but they don't have to be. There are other ways of doing it. Um, rich Richard mentioned in the chat a live streaming of church services, if you look around, you'll see a lot of church services do that. Uh, the church from the village where my parents live, record all their services. I believe they make them available online. Why not? You can live stream to youtube. There's no real cost of doing it a beyond, you know, the broadband. My guests would have been that part of the reason not to do that would be to encourage people to actually attend the church perhaps.
17:56 And there was others going to be that kind of problem. But what will also, uh, you know, the church is a mission is always going to be outreach. Um, and there might be, there will be a lot of people who, um, who would either can't go to church because they're not well enough for that. Either they're real that week or they're disabled or this, you know, or they just can't get to church. Or people who aren't sure if I really want to go to church, but they're interested in the idea and they're investigating. So they watched some services and decide if it's for them, you know, say yes, you're right. They want people in the buildings and there is a good community. Like, you know, you don't have to be particularly religious to see that the communities that spring up around churches have valuable things.
18:34 Uh, you know, I don't remember growing up, you know, a lot of the members of my church were very supportive of endeavors and you know, so it's, it's a nice part of a community that we don't, you know, community is a really hard thing to get these days and everyone's sort of just lives in their house and doesn't talk to anyone. And so obviously there's, I've heard of a little bit more. We were seeing at least the sorts of floor and herb, I think her dad was involved in a, a non religious kind of church, which was I guess the same sort of thing. So yeah, there's value there and all sorts.
19:05 Well let us know any thoughts? Of course you have a message is your, is your church doing anything tech wise? If you like, I'm in this vein or another vein, so love to hear about examples of that. A hello Adfitech podcast dot UK. I should actually point out before he emails in. I know one of our patrons, Jacob, who is a minister in the US. I know that he is a very switched on individual when it comes to tech and I believe live streams, some of his, um, what are they called? I want to say sessions. It's not a session.
19:34 Southern ceremonial. Yes. Ovens. Yeah, sorry services. Let's go with services. Fine. But uh, but yes, anyone else do let us know. A tech podcast dot UK,
19:51 since it's been a slow news week, I have to let another broadband d tech sort of stories slip through here because I'm basically was nothing else to really talk about. And this was still quite interesting, which is that broadband speeds of up to 10 gigabits per second, 10 gigabits not megabits have been tested in a home in the former Olympic village in east London, and now it's a bit of a publicity stunt, but as I said, slow news week and he's from broadband operator hyperoptic. Now that he conducted a test this week, which claims it's the first time the 10 gigabit speeds have been brought to a UK home using an existing isp network as opposed to one of these lease lines that businesses have. A Sharon White said, the amount of internet data used by people in the UK is growing by around half of 50 percent more every year every year. So will increasingly need full fiber broadband services like this to provide faster, more reliable connection.
20:48 I mean, yes, I mean I'm not going to disagree with the sentiment that we need false to broadband, but 10 gigabits, what do you know that can operate at 10 gigabits per second? Like what? What domestic equipment is particularly well placed to do that.
21:01 Wait, Still Bill Gates problem, isn't it? No one's going to need more than a hundred and 48 or whatever.
21:08 I know that we've got to expand to the future and I would never, I would never not support a move like this, but of course, you know, it's amazing the sort of problems you come into. Do you want me to give you an example? It May. Listen, I love examples. I thought you might. So I've, I've got this setup in this house, whereas the, the broad band a has a cable. It can either come into one of the rooms or a little cupboard. Um, but the, the, the ether that cable between the little cupboard and this room is not, it's, I don't know if it's been broken in the middle somewhere or if it's terminated properly either end. Um, but you know, you can't, it won't do a Gig, so it will only do a hundred meg. So of course, you know, you, you probably don't realize how slow a hundred meg is in modern terms.
21:55 Um, it's, it's only enough to get. I was getting sort of 60 or 70 meghan speed testers, which is infuriating. I'm testing wireless. You're nowhere near those kind of speeds. So you've got people who've got to replace every single piece of equipment. And of course there are almost, I don't think there are a, most pieces don't have 10 Gig Ethan at do they? In fact, it is extremely rare to see a domestic equipment with 10 Gig Ethernet. Um, so again, I'm talking about what we've got now and I'm not, you know, no one's suggesting that we're going to roll this out, but it's good that they can. Um, and there's, you know, that, that um, I used to know someone who lived in that place, that Olympic village and you know, that I think it costs something like 50 quid a month or something for gigabit each way. I mean, imagine such a thing.
22:49 That would be amazing. I mean, some of our listeners will have gigabit, Ethan, I'm, I'm sure I'm talking about the fact that, you know, it's not just about having one device, it's about the families that have kids. You know, if you have a, um, three children, each of which has a phone and a tablet, plus you've got a phone, a tablet, computer, maybe a couple of rooms streaming 4k video. I mean, that's an enormous amount of simultaneous bandwidth to need to, you know, to choose.
23:16 Yeah, of course I get, I get it and I'm not, I'm not pretending for a minute. You know, my particular example is a good one, but wireless is frustrating and I increasingly people who rely on wireless router and the emphasis is on wireless, like people are using it and I'm just like, this is frustrating. Why is it so bad? Um, I've, I've got another route now that has to five gigahertz channels that space better use simultaneously and I'm going to do a test of it, but, you know, I'm just frustrated by how easy it is to break these things and how, you know, one piece of infrastructure in the middle of all of it stops it from working properly.
23:55 I get, I've got the apple airport extremes and I get a incredibly fast through that. So earlier on I was cashing some stuff onto my ipad ahead of our trip to Japan and I was, I was transferring them from my nas at about, I think it peaked at 48 megabytes a second. So that's, that's like five, four or 500 megabit per second. But I was also streaming Netflix at the same time through the apple TV, 4k, um, and another stuff. So it's, you know, it's, it's very quick
24:30 when they supposed to stop making that, how they stopped making it now
24:33 they did, but they didn't go to people's houses and take back once. People that already bought I was fine.
24:39 Thank you. You saw casting gates? Um, but I'm just saying like what, so what, what? I mean, what other domestic equipment is there that can meet the speeds that apple was able to do with you? I expect this links, I've got that does two times. Five gigahertz must be capable of doing similar things, but the messaging around it, it's so unbelievably crappy. And, and the, you know, the infrastructure needed. Like for example, I've got a bunch of little links is dongles that you can plug in and they suggested that you use to a laptop somehow. I don't really, I never really got around to testing it properly, but um, it just like this is not sort of thing that people are going to do. Again, that doesn't mean that we don't need 10 gigabit [inaudible]. I can see plenty of applications for it. Um, but you know, I just like, there's a lot of the infrastructure we've got salt out.
25:25 Well that's probably a good time to wrap up that before in bust a blood vessel in his, uh, in his head. But I did think that it was worth pointing something else out just in light of all this. Talk about fiber fiber, um, because according to the register this week, fiber to the home in the UK is so bad that it didn't even rank in a new European study. Latvia in this particular study came top with 50 point six percent of households, a household penetration. So half of all live in houses are equipped with fiber to the home. And this is according to the fiber to the home ultra fast broadband country ranking. Um, so, uh, there was like beer and followed by Sweden, Lithuania and Russia and the report said that a number that the number of fiber to the home fiber to the building subscribers in Europe overall has increased by over 20 percent since, since September 2016 and it's now over 51,000,000 subscribers at least as of towards the end of last year.
26:24 But that's not the most surprising figure that came out of this report. The most surprising figure in this entire report is that the Republic of Ireland made its entry to the global ranking for the first time with a penetration rate of one point seven percent fiber to the home republic of Ireland. So the UK not on the list, but the Republic of Ireland just made the list and it's not at the very bottom either, but it's, it's a decent percentage there. And to put this all in context, according to the fiber broadband association, some figures I looked up here, fiber to the home connectivity saw a 16 percent growth in 2016 in the US. Um, and there are now about just an around 14,000,000 homes connected by fiber. Um, but China is still by far the largest broadband subscriber in the world has the largest base of subscribers anywhere in the world. And their fiber has overtaken dsl. So it's now the main sort of fixed broadband technology. Um, digital has research said that the number of fiber to the home subscribers is now at 227,000,000 more than, because that was, that figures a year old. And it covers about 76 percent of all fixed line access subscribers in China, which is staggering.
27:41 There's a billion people in China, right? I mean there are, I can't remember this. There's some statistic about there are something like eight or more cities around Beijing that have 7,000,000 people living in them. So if you imagine like you've got Beijing and that's a huge populations and turn that around it. And there are more cities that have 7,000,000 people, that's the whole population of London basically. Um, so it, it, it, it's just enormous. But also fiber to the home is not just not a priority in this country. Like th, there is, you know, you can't call, you can't recall virgin fiber to the home, but it still delivers performance. It's as good as fiber to the home or very nearly close to it. Uh, you know, bt has a fiber to the home product, but it's not the main focus of its broadband efforts. It's, you know, using fiber to the cabinet or fibers or the pole to do and then [inaudible] for the last little bit because it's massively more cost effective to do it that way. Um, now personally speaking, I think it should be illegal to build a new building without a fiber provision to it. Like it shouldn't be possible for you to put up a new build now without a fiber going directly into each apartment. Um, but whoever is going to start like legislating that it's, we don't have a government capable of that kind of thought.
29:03 I would like to think that it's in the best interest of the people building the building to do that without legislation being required because it's a selling point.
29:13 It does happen. And Virgin, virgin bt will help as well. They will make it possible, but it's very reliant on the developer because what the developer has to do is put in place infrastructure that meets the requirements of virgin and bt, bt and virgin won't get involved in that process. Um, but they will specify if you put this, this, this, and this in, then we will do that, that, that and that kind of thing. And for a lot of builders it's not worth it. Like they'll just be like, well,
29:42 yeah, we've got to spend some money on this. Uh, let's not bother. Well, if you've got fiber into your house and we'd like to send us a screenshot of your speed on speed test.net, I will be very interested in seeing that. And, uh, and you can send that in along with any thoughts. Hello, at Tech podcast dot UK. In let's dive into the mailbag this week. Uh, we had, uh, a message from Nigel who says nothing and born and bred Australian. I completely enjoyed listening to this week's [inaudible] snow track while taking my evening walk in my Sydney suburban setting. Thank you very much, Nigel. I'm glad you liked it. We actually had some really good feedback about it last week and I was skeptical because I thought it was, I thought it was going to be a failure, but people seem to like the different take on.
30:30 It was fun to do something a bit different, isn't it? And you know, if you've, if you're forced by circumstances to adapters, you might as well try something new. Yeah, I do want to take the one we got from Mike here about the home part in late. I heard you were going to be testing the home pod and how impressed you were with the two speakers stereo mode. What I'm wondering is how it compares with Sonos as you can get to solace one's for 349 pounds and a pair these as a stereo set. I thought that would seem to be a direct comparison whilst the ones only support Alexa for the moment, as I understand, they plan to support both. OK. Google and Hello Siri. So I would be quite surprised as managers to exceed Saul lost quality, uh, certainly were considered that scientists can be upgraded with a further southern sound bars for five point one.
31:16 I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Mike, at the moment. I haven't, I haven't had both in the same room at the time. I've had the home part at home now for a couple of weeks and I am very, very impressed with it from an audio standpoint, but also I've had it connected to the appletv and been using it as an output for movies and TV and actually that's one of my favorite uses for it right now. And I was really not expecting that, but I'm not a big center file. Um, I don't have a gigantic love of, of Home Theater, but I do have a nice tv, but I mostly just have the sound coming out of. It's built in speakers. You're a disgrace. Having that go out of the home part is actually really sort of reinvigorated the, the setup. I mean sometimes we do plug it into the high fi and then it's the two to one it comes out the speakers and the sub, but usually only if we're watching like a, a big, like a movie or something and I can be bothered plugging it in. Most of the time I don't have my actual, my early impressions of it though Mike are that it will sound better than the Sonos and it genuinely is the best sounding speaker of that ilk I've ever heard. Um, the, the issue is price as you say, and it's, you can get to sign us ones for the same price and absolutely nowhere near a competitors of the home part though is it's about a fraction of the size and power, but it's also much better value if you're just looking for a wireless speaker system.
32:47 If for some reason have to have two speakers. Like I don't understand the argument. Really. I just, I don't think you're going to get better sound out of necessarily too small speakers than you would out of one bigger speaker. And that's true of the song. You might as well get the play three or whatever it's called, which is the bigger one. I'm a bit wide rather than buying two of the smaller ones, I don't
33:07 three there because, because with sound, a lot of the advantage you get is the width is the space you have between them. So if you put two of these much farther apart and you're sitting in the sweet spot, you're going to get a much nicer sound than even if you put those two same speakers together side by side. Um, but I, I think you've got a lot more flexibility with the sun us because yes, you can add the sound bar to it. You can also buy a whole load of them and set it up as a surround sound system as well. Um, and the, the home part, a big part of it selling point is that it integrates so much with apple's ecosystem, with, um, with the voice assistant and with your apple music and all that kind of stuff, but it's not very smart in my experience. I mean, it's really, I'm quite disappointed with the, with the smarts of the home pot to be honest, you know what I mean?
33:58 The argument here about apple's inability to make Siri into what, you know, the sort of thing that Amazon's voice assistant is, um, and I really wish that they would. But I also wonder if maybe there's just not an objective for them in terms of what they're trying to do. Um, with Siri, I, I honestly don't understand where they're going with it. I'm Richard. I'm know who was, who asked in the chat room a steven asked in the chat room if a Sonos does, homie que the speak about does the, uh, the th, the one designed for TV use. Um, you walk around, it's a really weird process. You move your phone around and they measure your room, uh, which has a similar thing. I guess to the apple, I don't think it's as automated as apples though.
34:44 No, I mean the up an automation on apple's side is, is second to none. I mean it's, you set the speaker up in literally one button press. You just put your phone next to it, physically hold it next to it, a little thing pops up on your iphone says set up home party, press the button and that's it. It signed it and everything. Sinked it's, it's quite remarkable actually. Um, but my plan is
35:10 people ask why people spend more money on apple stuff, right? That's why it's the reason that the, the air pods work is because you opened the box and they're paired with your phone. But I don't think anyone's pretending the apple stuff is supposed to be good value for, you know, cheap. It's not, it's never cheap and there will always be a more comprehensive product out there that is less money. It's all about people like wanting to be able to, like for example, the communication between your and the Apple TV is a lot better than chrome cast. Like you can stream live video from the camera on your iphone to your apple tv on TV and it's incredible, but you can't do that with Kratom costs or at least I have not found a way to it as well.
35:54 Well, I hope that helps a little bit when when the, when, when they bring out the speaker pairing side of things. My plan is to get hold of another one and the Sonos one launch that episode. I mean the technology works because I had a demo of it, apple's headquarters and it, you know, it sounds, it sounds great, but
36:17 I just think given how delight, well they might as well have delayed them a bit more and made it work. It's the same. I know. It's good. It's a good thing. Like more companies should be a bit more careful about how quickly they're releasing. Google in particular was very happy to let the early users be Beta testers and again, that's, you know, there's a reason people who buy apple stuff or paying more money is because they want a product that works out of the box.
36:41 Well, Richard was asking in the chat room if you can put the home pot in different rooms and have the same music play out of all of them, I believe you can. I also believe you can have different music playing out to them because it's part of the play to specification that allows you to stream a, to have a much wider control of what you can stream which devices you're streaming it to at the same time. Um, so I believe that's coming, but I haven't been able to test that yet and yes, you can do that from the Mac already and have been able to, in fact for quite some time. Um, but let's, let's accept that. But thanks very much Mike, for prompting such a discussion. Hopefully that helps you have any other questions about it. Do let us know the usual address. And this came in from Jacob who says, Hey [inaudible].
37:23 A quick note about cryptocurrencies since you asked, I have not invested any of my actual money into the crypto is out there, but I use a desktop app on my Imac to cloud mine. I contribute hashing power and receive a percentage of the whole from each block. After the takes a small percentage cut, I cannot confirm this, but the upper peers to have built in controls for CPU heat, which is a huge plus on the Imac. He says, and we'll dial back if it's getting too strenuous for the cause. I could also be wrong about that and it could be dialing back for another reason, but I've noticed that when when the machine runs hot, it dials back and cools down a bit. Well, I'm not investing actual cash in these currencies. I am making a long-term bet that the energy required will ultimately be profitable. I think the ship has sailed for Bitcoin, so I tend to mind for alternatives like Minero and bite coin in the events. Any of these alternatives take off. I'll have a significant. I'll have a not insignificant amount and I don't think I'm, I'm in the huddle. Can hang on what's happening.
38:18 It means hold basically. Um, a lot of the bitcoin people who bought very high. We're faced with a choice. Basically they bought $18,000, then they, then it plummeted to 9,000 or whatever they, they basically you would lose half of your money or you could hold it
38:35 and wait until it came back again. But that's what hardware means. It means hold basically. Um, so I would sell if they reach a decent percentage rate, if not, I'm out the customer electricity and I'm insulated from the volatility of the market. It's really interesting. I have not really looked into the whole cloud mining of Bitcoin, but then in particular, I mean like you have to mind the right currency and that currency and picking the currencies there is to the whole mining process in the first place is, that's where the devil is in the detail. Finally from Luke, just a quick one that you posted in the discord before we started recording actually about the fingerprint database stuff we were talking about last week. He said it could really pose a problem combined with something like the right against self incrimination. I also feel like fingerprinting is very strong measure against something like a person without a document.
39:30 I'd never thought about the self-incrimination thing. Do you know there's no that I don't believe there's a UK law that protects you from incriminating yourself. The US has the fifth amendment rights, so you don't have to say anything that would incriminate yourself. The UK doesn't have that law. You can't. There is no protection. You can't just stay silent. Is that right? Yeah, it's, it's, uh, [inaudible]. Obviously in America the advice is just don't say anything and then plead the fifth and then it's much. It's much harder. I mean, it's not impossible to build a case against you, but it means you never say anything that would incriminate yourself, which you may do in the UK because you don't have the right. You do have the right to remain silent, but it probably will help me with the fence. I'm, I just googled it while we're talking. Apparently we do have the right to silence. Oh yeah, yeah. You can stay silent, but it's not like, it's not like the fifth amendment where, um, it's to protect you from incriminating yourself. It, it would cause you more harm in British law. Well, thanks for everyone writing in a. anyone else have things to say or discuss how tech, podcasts dot UK is where you can send them to. Let's check in briefly with Thomas. See what's going on in the wider world of tech over at Dns. Tom.
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