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00:00 You're listening to text message the UK technology podcast with me at Nate's lengths and on me and Maurice, and it's as always brought to you by you. Thank you to our patrons supporting as every week at Patrion. Com at slush UK tech. This is your extended ad free version of this week show if you're one of our patrons, but if you're not, and we'd like to get those versions, you can join us for no commitment at all. Um, at Patrion dot-com Slash UK tech. Thank you to everyone who is supporting as there. Let's get into the news. Um, now this week we had a range of things we could talk about relating to the facebook,
00:37 the ongoing facebook data scandal. We're only going to pick out one the most relevant to us here in the UK, I believe, and that is that facebook has confirmed that instead of its CEO, it will be chief technology officer, Mike Schroepfer, who's going to give evidence in front of a UK parliamentary hearing in late April as it's pretty widely known by now. This obviously comes in the wake of the allegations that millions of facebook users had, they had that data misused, Uhm, and we actually also know this week that maybe about a million Brits have been affected, so, so more than we originally thought. Now facebook's CEO Zuckerberg said in March that he wasn't going to appear before a UK parliamentary committee to give evidence after Damien Collins, who's the head of the committee, invited him to answer for what he called a catastrophic failure of process. Now we left a little bit about the fact that, you know, Zuckerberg said he would make these appearances if he was the most appropriate person to do so.
01:37 It's like, well, who is more appropriate than the founder of the company? The guy that runs the business. Yeah. And is also the majority shareholder on, on their board. Like he has ultimate control. He's accountable to no one. He can't be fired. So like, who is more, who's better place? But anyway, he seems to think that um, he will go and do the stuff in the US Congress. Um, and he's, he's going to be doing that in April as well as like a bug that is, um, but here in the UK, the CTO is going to come instead. Now I thought this is significant because it gives us an opportunity to find out a little bit more about who this guy is and what we can maybe expect this hearing to involve. So I looked up who he is. He's been at the company since [inaudible]. He's held the CTO role since 2013, um, between [inaudible] and 2013.
02:28 He was the vice president of engineering at facebook. So he, he's very much going to be able to talk from the, you know, from the technical aspect of the show, the show of the, um, uh, of, of the, of the sites. Yeah, exactly. The platform, like he'll have an incredibly deep understanding of how facebook works on a technical level, probably relating to all aspects of its technical functioning. What he may not, and this is purely opinion, my hypothesis, you know, what he may not necessarily be prepared for is how many of the committees questions are going to focus, not so much on the technical side, but on the moral side, on the issues of, uh, the fact that the platforms alleged role in subverting democratic progress and process and all of these allegations, you know, that's not something that a cto tends to be involved in, you know, that's often more ceo or obviously the CEO's job, neither of whom are going to come to the UK or at least have said they're going to come to UK and speak to the committee. So I do sort of, you know, worry slightly on his behalf that it's kind of being like incentive into the lion pit, you know, with, with one weapon and no shield.
03:49 I'm not sure if I agree with you that those committees are not exactly to Thi. I mean, there might be intimidating to people that haven't done them before, but really they're asking questions. It's it, uh, if, uh, if that was going to be an indictment or, uh, you know, uh, you know, if they were thinking about seriously changing legislation, then I could see why even the legislation's not a problem. If that was a chance that he would walk away from that, you know, and do jail time, I could see why. But ultimately they're going to answer questions which he will offer skype in the most obvious way. I mean, we've seen this so many times. We've seen it with, um, you know, the phone hacking, stuff like that and you know, all sorts of technical stuff that has been caught in front of the parliament for questions.
04:35 It's just a, you know, they just have a way you don't know, you're making it sound like, well, you know, uh, we were aware that this was a possibility, but of course our customers are expected to follow our terms and conditions and this was outside of that or whatever, you know, it will just be whole thing will just be passed off from blame to blame. Um, and I find that kind of depressing of. We've seen it all before and nothing will happen and a GDP might help a bit, but we don't know where we are with Gd pr in general once we leave the EU.
05:10 Well, let's, let's put that side of things on the backburner for a sec because, you know, I, I, I still sort of disagree that this will be, that they will be slightly to through with it because part of the problem is they don't want him. They didn't invite him specifically. They wanted Zuckerberg and I think that he, I honestly feel he's going to get quite a hard time. You know, I think that Damien Collins particularly can be a prickly guy. Um, and I think that the, the lack of Zuckerberg and the presence of what he and the previous hearing, um, when he was grilling a Christopher Wiley, the whistleblower he described as just one of his juniors, which is a fairly in fed because the CTO is one of the highest positions in a company, but still he is junior to Zuckerberg and Zuckerberg that they wanted to answer for all this. So I think he's going to get a little bit of a grilling. I really do.
06:04 Maybe he'll stop and he'll be briefed and briefed and briefed by his lawyer and he won't say anything. I don't think it's. I don't think it's going to get us anywhere. I think that's the primary point I want to make. It's not going to get anywhere. I think that asking questions is fine, but we know what they're going to say because it's what they've already said.
06:31 In last week we talked a little bit about the edu domain name system after brexit. So the idea that UK individuals that have registered a domain name may lose those domains or certainly lose access to renew them post-brexit. And yes, had a little update on this. Well,
06:53 I think I had a little chat to a friend of mine who is a who works for a company that handles domains, lots of them in a very high profile manner. Now, originally this story, um, I, I read it on the register, I don't know where we got our link from, um, but they were talking about the headline was Europe dumped 300,000 UK owned dot EU domains in the brexit. Ben, I'm, which is fine. Now during this story, they had also mentioned that the, um, the EU had not mentioned, uh, this to, um, uh, however the companies or the however the thing is called g user id, which is the registry for domains and they hadn't been consulted was what they said in the register story. Um, so I was sent a link from the to, from that registrar. Um, and so ultimately I think it's quite clear what's going to happen long term, no matter what the IEP says about the UK and it's involvement with that post-brexit.
07:58 I'm essentially, my friend says it would be a huge security risk if you were to just stop people from renewing domains. So say for example, you're a bank or anything that deals with customer details or whatever, you know, uh, you if say your domain happen to register on the day that [inaudible] the, uh, then you wouldn't be able to renew it and you would then not be able to access the domain and they, they, whilst they could probably do that and take away your domains from businesses like that, they would still have to hold them back for a very long period of time in order for them to not be there maliciously. Reuse. So for example, if, if some, if I'm, if I'm a bank and I lose my edu domain, then the next day someone from the EU comes along and decides that they want to set up a bank with the same name and defrauded a bunch of people, then that's obviously why that isn't a very good idea and why it probably won't.
08:55 So what is more likely is that, and this is, I think this is always probably going to be the case. It's a lot of bluster between both the EU and the UK. But essentially it's more likely that we will lose the right to register a new domain names on brexit day, if that's what we're going to call it, which we shouldn't because it makes me wanna hit well, um, or, and then, and then you would be, you would probably be able to carry on renewing the ones that you already own. Um, and then, I don't know, maybe maybe they, maybe they might do it so that the transition would be the amount of time that you would be allowed to do that, giving you sigh two years to stop using that domain and past people over to others or they may just allow existing device to be renewed indefinitely, which would be more sensible.
09:43 Th Th. I, I suppose this, this story was interesting to me because usually with these stories, and they're not all relevant to our podcast because they're not all tech, but what you get is you get the ear will say one thing and the UK will say something different. Um, so the UK will say something like, we're going to stop you fisherman fishing and all cs and the you'll say, well blah, blah, blah. You can't do that because of this, this, this, and this. And most of the time we don't sort of understand what the truth of that matter is in this particular case. It happens that it's sort of, it's a bit more logical than most. And I'm having spoken to a friend of mine who does do this for a living. Uh, he, he was pretty clear that realistically they're not going to be able to cut this off. So it kind of feels like you can use this as a sort of learning thing for what will eventually end up happening with all of this brexit nonsense and the fact that ultimately it's two people fighting and then they will probably come to a moderate middle ground at some point. It doesn't make it any less annoying. But even so,
10:46 well Richard saying in the chat room that, um, that he's been looking into transferring their, his company's dot edu domain to the new company opened in Estonia so that they don't lose the president.
10:59 Yes. And actually none of this is really a problem anyway because there are companies such as the one that my friends were all, which I won't mention because he didn't tell me this on the record, he told me it was a friend asking, um, but they will act as an intermediary for you and you can register any domain in that country. I think that probably charged you a bit more for that. Um, but, uh, essentially they will act as a company holding a domain name for you in that country or in this case, in that, in that group of countries. So I don't think that anyone who wants to keep their domain name is going to particularly struggle. I may now register one just to see what happens. Um, I don't know how much they cost. They're probably not that expensive. Um, but I don't know, maybe we should get text message to you. Well,
11:43 Richard saying that it costs about a hundred euros to open a company in Estonia and then once you have that, it can take ownership of the domain being know in a European country and therefore wouldn't, you know, wouldn't be running afoul of any future hard line rules, which is an interesting way to do it and to kind of, you know, it might be a decent insurance policy to do that if you in one of these businesses that, that really could be put it quite serious risk in the event that this is kind of hard cutoff happening. Yeah,
12:17 I mean ultimately this, this, if you were to just cut people off, it would be really quite bad. It would be, it would be like stopping us from making phone calls to Europe or something like that. I don't know quite what the, I don't know what the comparison would be. Um, but you know, you're, you're basically really putting businesses at risk and that's not, I don't think that anyone in the EU or the UK wants that. Um, and it would be quite sort of small minded and childish to behave like that. And I register, did type the pieces about it. Um, I don't believe that that's the ultimate end game for the s anyway. I don't think they would be so mindlessly crew or patty minded mindedness to go for that.
13:05 We'll figure it out from e-marketer. This, uh, this week end predicts that more than a fifth of all advertising spend in the UK will be on social networks in 2020. That might not sound that interesting on its own, but it means that social media will overtake television to become the UK's biggest advertising format in two years, spending on networks such as facebook, instagram, she's owned by facebook and snapchat will hit 20 point two percent up from 16 point one percent this year according to the Telegraph's reporting. And it would be at that point that it would overtake broadcast television spending, which would decline from 19 point six percent this year to 78 percent digital spending across desktop and mobile, which includes paid search, has been outstripping TV for number of years in the UK and other large markets like the US. In fact, last year, according, there was one major report that showed that mobile specifically mobile platforms accounted for 99 percent of all the growth of Internet ad spending that had been seen that year versus the previous year.
14:12 So, you know, this has just been coming a long time. No one who's particularly surprised by this. But the fact that we can actually kind of pinpoint now when social will become the biggest advertising format in Britain, I think he's quite interesting. But there's a couple of questions I think we can address with this because TV advertising to a large extent has been able to keep its numbers as high as it has been able to because as people have moved to digital and online and all that sort of stuff. So if the TV advertisers, you know, they've been able to move to, you know, catch up services and the streaming platforms from and ITV and channel four in everyone. So they've been able to sort of keep a lot of that revenue coming to them. But I do wonder whether, because social is, is so often used to discuss, you know, live TV broadcasts and a lot of people will target those peak times in order to, um, you know, to reach audiences who are watching those particular programs.
15:13 I kind of wonder whether this, that, that second screen usage alongside tv sort of meant that TV producers have unwittingly provided the catalyst for their own demise because, you know, social is getting loads more advertising money unless he's going to tv because people are talking about TV programs on social and there's more of them there. So they funded that. So he's kind of like, if, if TV stopped being able to produce content that'd be less social media chatter to advertise against eco domain. That's not stretching reality to a certain point. But I'm sure there's an aspect to that in. What do you reckon
15:54 the thing is, I'm, I'm always somewhat baffled by the way that advertising sort of on social works. Um, I mean I can sort of, I can see the value of being very began with a target things. Um, and we've always known that TV advertising is kind of very broad. Um, and I think that these days companies want to wanting to be a bit more specialized about how they, how they target advertising. So social works a lot better, doesn't it? Then you can't do that with tv then it will never be able to do it with TV. What I think, um, we, we, we've realized is that event TV is the only real way to make money from advertising these days. You have to have, um, something live where people have to sit through adverts and you know, and then a bit, they're huge advertisers who want, like the superbowl kind of attitude to it where you charge a million quid per advert for 30 seconds, um, and then you know, that and that funds quite a decent amount of your programming for the rest of the year or whatever.
16:52 Um, but you know, also what I'm interested in particularly here is that it's the, the ones listed or you know, facebook, instagram and snapchat, twitter still struggling to make money out of advertising. Although apparently it's video offering has been quite profitable. Uh, which I find quite interesting because, um, twitter is, I suppose in a way kind of a good video platform because it can happen immediately. Um, and the timeline is still linear, which facebook obviously refuses to allow us access to these days. Uh, you know, a, a chronological timeline. It has to be algorithm based and whilst twitter tries as hard as to force us into those algorithm things, we're still seeing stuff as it's happening. So um, I can sort of see why that works on twitter, but uh, it's still not as profitable as facebook. And so, you know, they've obviously hoovered up all the ad money, which is a problem if you're a publisher.
17:49 Yeah, definitely. It's a big issue. And the chat rooms talking about how, you know, traditional advertisers still often don't get social ads and I think that some of them are beginning to. But one of the best examples of other failure that I see is youtube, which is sort of a social network, but also not depending on who you ask and you go and see their pre-rolls and you're allowed to skip an ad. In fact, for most of them with a, you know, after five seconds of viewing it, so it's essentially the acknowledgement that if someone doesn't, isn't hooked in that first five seconds, then you've lost them, you might as well let them skip anyway because they don't care. But it's. So it's. But it's amazing to me how many adverts a payer, whether that first five seconds is incredibly unengaging and just not designed specifically for that market. It's like a repurpose television ad just shoved on Youtube. Many aunt, but many are. And it's, it, it, it's a sign that whoever sold that ad doesn't get ads on Youtube.
18:57 So Youtube is, I would say I'm becoming quickly one of the most unpleasant platforms for content creators now. Uh, I, W I grew up in a, in a world where something like youtube was just an impossibility. And the idea of being able to make money from doing something yourself and putting it online was of course completely foreign. So people like us, as we, as we grew up, so youtube comes along and invents this kind of thing where anyone can make money on the platform. Um, and the more people watch your stuff and you know, the more engaged they are, whatever the more money you make, but what youtube has consistently done, as I said, if you don't create videos that our advertisers morally agree with, then you're not going to make any money. If you, um, if your viewers skip an ad, then you're not gonna get any money from that even though you may have been exposed to the know the brand name in that time.
19:50 Now, a good advert on youtube, like you said, would have had the brand name at the beginning. Now I cannot stand that company Fiverr, um, but their ads, if you want, if you see them on youtube, their ads are often five seconds. They're obnoxious and they have the brand front left unsaid and all times you cannot avoid brand recognition with those ads. Um, so they've got it right. But again, if you, if you're skipping ads, then you're hurting not, you're not hurting youtube because it's still getting money from those ads. You're not hurting the advertiser so much because that's if they're doing their adverts cleverly, they will still have the name in front of you. You're what you're doing is you're hurting the content creator. Um, and the whole advertising thing is just horrible and Youtube is making plenty of money from it and I don't think treating its creators correctly, which is not someone like twitch
20:48 who has a, that has a much better attitude to the people making the platform I think.
20:54 Yeah. And indeed a lot of people are moving to, to switch away from Youtube for a variety of reasons. That may be a topic for another day. Steven in the chat room was asking why we don't have youtube red, which is Google's sort of all encompassing media streaming subscription service. That also covers the it's music platform and it launched that about three years ago I think in the US and it still isn't here in the UK despite the fact that it does exist in some markets that often don't get a google products are a lot of tech company products until the UK has got it in like Australia. And I'm in South Korea, but I mean Google has said it is planning to expand Rhett subscriptions to many more countries about 100 companies and that's according to the, uh, chief executive officer at any views on this. Very, very welcome. Of course. Hello. At Tech Podcast Dot U. K specifically on maybe on, on your view, on who's doing social advertising really well. Like what, what ads or what experiences do you find yourself not minding a tall on, uh, on online, on social networks and who's doing it badly? Live to get some examples and some personal experience on this hallow at Tech podcast dot UK?
22:20 in. I think we should talk about the BBC iplayer because a little bit of Hoo Ha happens this week I would say because in fact, let's take a step back here. The BB charges a hundred and 50 pounds a year ish. Or rather you have to pay 100, a hundred 50 pounds a year for a TV license fee in the UK. But despite this, it has said said
22:41 it won't offer streaming access to the player in mainland Europe. Now that's unlike Netflix and Amazon as one of many who now follow the use digital media portability rules that came into effect this week, which under these rules let people who are resident of One Country Watch digital media services in other EU member states as if they were still at home on engadget, had a good write-up about this this week and the BBC has a reason, a reason, whether it's a good reason for us to discuss which is the other painful TV services like Netflix. They know who's accessing that content because they have a billing process connected directly with an account Rep. sure. The BBC does not, despite introducing a registration system for the [inaudible] player last year, the actual bit, the, the, the process of paying a license fee is not connected to the process of creating an account and not every platform allows you to actually login to the [inaudible] play at the appletv very recently, within the last few weeks has enabled it but it.
23:43 But for the longest time it, there was no personalization cross-platform on many AIPLA platforms. So the BBC said before we just discussed this, BBC said that is interested in being able to allow UK licensed fee pairs to access his content while they're on holiday. They also said they welcome the European Union's regulation to make it feasible, but they basically said there's complex technical issues to resolve and that's kind of an nsf point in my opinion. Uh, uh, no, uh, sugar point. But, but, but, but it kind of feels like we're being screwed by a technical failure here and I know that you're going to have many points to address on this topic. So why don't you start with your most.
24:29 I think that that's true. Like the whole point of the BBC is registration system was supposed to be the, it would have it. We w we acknowledged that the license fee is becoming a problem because a lot of people won't have access to antenna based broadcast systems. So we needed to come up with an idea and we need to have something where we would say, OK, well people want to use it player, but in order to use it, you have to have a TV license. Which is perfectly reasonable. So let's have a registration and then people will have to say that they've got, um, a licensed and we'll be able to check that crucial. So someone registers, they give their address, they say I've get, yes, I got a license and then, you know, at some point you can go through, um, the databases and cu you hasn't, hasn't got licenses and go and get, you know, ask them for the money if they haven't got one.
25:23 I'm now the BBC was always very much like, we're not doing this for license fee collection. We're doing it because we want people to have a more personalized experience. Um, and no one believed them and I still don't really believe them or despite having ultimate faith in the BBC, I still feel like it needed to be and should be a way of making sure that people who say they don't watch the BBC but actually watch a lot of high player are still paying the license fee. Um, but of course the fact that they still seem on, in capable of allowing access to that content in Europe is ridiculous. Um, I, I don't see what's going to start most, I don't know how active the BBC is in blocking vpn and exit points. Um, and I haven't tried using a vpn. I, um, I do blocks and they do block it.
26:11 Yeah. So your Netflix, um, now that's annoying in itself because ultimately there are lots of reasons for using a vpn and not all of them have anything to do with circumventing rules. Like I, I, I know you and I both quite liked the idea of having a vpn connection all the time. Um, and our vpn is very good because it's very, very fast. But you know, all of this stuff should be a matter of you register, they checked your license, they confirmed that you've got a license and it doesn't need to be, you know, we don't need it to be so involved that they have to check that, you know, you'll definitely all the, you know, the, the, the owner of the license, you know, it's, it's really just to sort of keep casual evaders at bay really because the people who don't want a TV license will never get one. And there is nothing that's going to change that, but there should be a perk for people as a result of all this inconvenienced but having to register in the first place. So why can't we have it so that it works in the EU, which seems perfectly reasonable or even in America or anywhere else for that matter?
27:13 Well, I think it's something they've got to fix because there are going to be too many people I imagine who are going to complain that they can access Netflix and they can access Amazon. Why can't they access the I player and eventually there's going to be an Faq page on the website. Updated and placed at the top because it's going to become a common question. I think. Although there is a policy that says, if you've got a broad, why are you sitting in your hotel room watching Netflix or I play or go and play outside on a beach, but I know that's not everyone's going on holiday.
27:46 You can still download it. Play shows and watch when you're not connected to the Internet. That's something you absolutely wanted to watch. You know, you can save it up and take it on holiday.
27:57 Well, any thoughts on this? Do let us know. Of course. Hello at tech podcast. U K is. Should this be an easy fix? Are you bothered? Have we made a mountain out of the proverbial mole hill? Let us know. Hello at tech podcast dot UK.
28:18 Quickly before we move into our mailbag, we talked about advertising earlier, but I wanted to return to something this week because I'll be honest with you, it took my clothes off and it tickled me in a variety of places, all of which were enjoyable because of how funny the story is. I'm an advert showing British Olympic diver, Tom Daley using an htc 11 smartphone after swimming pool has been banned on the grounds that the instructions for the phone from the manufacturer specifically say, and I'm quoting this from the pdf of the instructions, do not expose the phone to all at the USB port. Come into contact with swimming pools. Now, according to the BBC HCC apologize on Thursday and said we are disappointed by the asa ruling and we have removed the video from our sites. We apologize if anyone felt misled as to the handsets, handsets, water-resistant capabilities, um, htc defended it though on the grounds that the phone has ip 67 waterproof waterproof rating, which means it could be submerged briefly for up to a depth of what meetup. And it said that because Daley had entered the water with his feet and held the phone above his head, the phone had not gone any deeper. However, it seems to me like a very poor choice of scenario. Then obviously the asa feels the same because you know, he could have been driving out of a plane or fighting bandits on top of a, an old western
29:42 train or mountain boarding down Ben Nevis or something, all of which are not advised against it in the manual. And I did check because that's what we do on text message. We check before we speak. So yeah, and not shoving a guy using a phone in the swimming pool band because the instructions say you can't use this in a swimming pool. Not tickled me in a be cynical, but I wrote a story some time ago, so please don't get your waterproof phone wet, uh, because, um, it's water proofing phones is not, is the way that they test it and I haven't ever been able to get actual confirmation, but it was told to me by someone who works at a phone company, um, and Ip 68 and similar waterproofing is done in clean water, which means it's not suitable for submerging in sea water. It's not suitable for submerging in chlorinated pool water and crucially not really suitable for submerging in tap water.
30:39 Um, so basically, I, my thing is, don't get your phone wet under any circumstances. It's an emergency protection thing. Um, it shouldn't be used. You shouldn't take it as permission to use your phone in the water. Um, and I know that no one is going to listen to me on this, but I broke seven, uh, by submerging it in a, in a jug of water, there's a, uh, if, if you find that, if I sees a story I wrote, you'll see the picture of the [inaudible] submerged, but we'll include a link to that in the show notes or Pat's tech podcast dot UK. I will dump it in the chat now. Um, but yeah, um, it's, uh, it's, it's absolutely not guaranteed and I, and I, and they said to me, Oh, it was submerged in a sea water or something. And I said, no it wasn't.
31:27 And that was the end of that. And of course you have to point out really that these phones aren't water proof or water resistant. Water proofing is, is quite different. Um, but have you had any experiences with, um, submerging items in water? Let us know what item you have submerged and what happened afterwards. And you can do that by sending an email to hello at tech podcast dot UK. You can also use that email address to reminders of, of any famously removed adverts that tickled you in a similar way to how this one tickled me.
32:06 Let's dive into our perfectly dry mailbag this week in, um, we, I wanted to remind our listener actually who, who, um, who wrote in a couple of weeks ago, Neil asked about broadband on houseboats and I mentioned at the time, I think in answering the question that one of our patrons, Richard Taylor was very happy to explain how he tethers and gets 450 gigabytes a month to use them. Three, all of which can be used for tethering. Um, and he's very happy to talk you through it a nail and give you some instructions. So if you want to, if you're still struggling with that quandary, do send us an email, a hello at tech podcasts, Dr Uk. What can connect you up to Richard, who will explain further in terms of new email this week? Had an email come in here from Jenny says, didn't h, Jenny hip just listen to your podcast and thought I would give you a bit of information about teenagers needing the Internet for schoolwork.
32:57 My school encourages GCC students to download various apps for revision. These include pixel tests. So my memorize are designed to be used on their phones as well as laptops and tablets. Tablets, teachers also use google classroom, um, to set work. So students on their phones could well be doing their homework or revising for upcoming exams. Well, I'm sure that had to be some kids who are saying they're doing homework on their phone and actually were so sad to know that it is a technical possibility. This next email we came in, um, last week, we didn't have time to get to it last week, so we're getting a lot of emails lately, but it comes from Ross and it follows on from when we were asking for examples of high technology in churches and how churches, which typically very, quite old are embracing a lot of modern stuff.
33:44 So Ross says, hi, nate and [inaudible]. Um, you asked in a recent episode of hand on heart any information on use of tech within churches, so I thought I'd give you an outline of what we do at my church trench venyard Trent's vineyard in Nottingham. We're a relatively large for the UK church, based in a modern purpose-built warehouse on an industrial estate from a tech perspective. Services comprise 30 minutes of a band and then a talk. So we have fairly capable sound system supported by a multi camera video feed on large projection screens run from digital dedicated projection software services are not streamed live on the whole, but we do live stream certain conferences and big services such as the carol service talks are recorded and put out as audio and video podcasts. The church members benefit from church suites, a third party church management system, but as a member, this gives us access to our information which he points out is useful for GDP, for compliance, as well as the ability to securely check in children to the kids program during the morning service.
34:42 Now he says, this works by scanning a Qr Code Code on your mobile phone from the, from the church suite APP and a name label is printed for the child to identify them to leaders and another label with a unique code on to allow you and apparently only you to collect your child at the end of the service. The buildings themselves have a dual purpose as a commercial conference center. So we have free wifi coverage throughout and a café that operates on a tablet based point of sale system that church's own. Staff operate from the offices here where they use fairly typical office services such as a voip system and office three 65 servers and things for networking. Um, he's included a link here to the church and I'll include a link to, uh, to the, to the website in the show firstname.lastname@example.org or in the, uh, interactive notes if you've, if you've got them in your podcatcher of choice. It's just, I find these examples fascinating because in my head, you know, church is very old and very classic. And then you,
35:38 you hear about these apps that exists as a, you know, a management platform for church services and, and, and, and it's, it's very interesting.
35:49 It is often what you find in churches is you'll have, um, usually get a pretty diverse group of people going to church and you'll almost always find someone who is very, very into technology, uh, for whatever reason. So I, you know, I, the church in my village east to [inaudible] all the time. Um, and uh, my friend Steve was a musician, super, super audio file. I mean, you would get on very well with him tonight. Um, and he, um, he was very, very happy to spend his own money to make the church better to, you know, to build systems that enabled, you know, better sounding music and stuff like that. And he worked very hard to achieve that. And you know, people who are in church who have got a bit of extra money are usually very happy to sort of throw that behind, making things better for everyone else. It's quite nice. And also you get a lot of, you know, big American churches that sort of spearhead this kind of stuff. Um, you know, for better or worse about what they're doing, they do have a lot of money and they are prepared to spend on this kind of thing. So it's quite interesting. It definitely, it's, it's more high tech than you would ever think.
36:58 Well thanks Ross for stimulating and interesting discussion. Always welcome to hear more on this and we did have more emails in our mailbag this week. One in particular about, um, about the BBC from Brian, but we're out of time this, this week, so we're going to put that in for next week show in case we also get any comments about the BBC topic from this week. But we won't forget your message, Brian, and thank you to everyone who's writing in and thanks to everyone for listening. We're going to check in now briefly with Mr Tom Merritt overseas and find out what has been going on in the wider world of tech. Tom,
37:28 thanks. This week. Of course we discussed the aftermath of the shooting on the youtube campus. We also found out why autonomous cars will take longer than you might think that robots won't take our jobs. Sharing our thoughts on the htc vive pro Vr headset debated the wisdom of Apple's approach to pro users and got the latest trends in accessibility devices from Shelly Brisbin all that much more that daily tech news show back to you.
37:50 Thank you. Tom took odd jobs. Jobs. Are you afraid that the robots are gonna? Take over the jobs of podcasts.
37:59 Not every cam or I'll replace you with a machine. Does its thing is that we can keep doing this podcast for as long as we want. I mean, you know, yes. I could easily be replaced by a robot that gets it all the time. Coughs, sweat as occasionally has terrible. Mike finishes bots. Ultimately, if you and I want to continue to do this podcast, there's nothing stopping us. I'm, no, I'm, no, I'm not. I'm not particularly worried about being replaced by robot. You may choose to do that some point, um, as a, as a rule. Um, well I, I think, I think robots really interesting thing because I think that society has to move towards a universal income. Uh, I think we have to stop individual benefits and make sure everyone gets the same starting amount of money and that money needs to be enough for them to survive. Um, and we do it. We'll get said we tax the robots, you know, we, if, if a company wants to employ 5,000 robots then it's taxed and that money goes into the state income.
39:02 That is one hell of an opening conversation for a topic we'll probably come back to in the future and not at the very end of the show. Um, but yeah, that's it.
39:11 I did write an article about it. Bill Gates says tax the robots. I'll put it in the chat.
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