Live From The Southbound M1 In a Blizzard: TM 125
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- UK banks ban Bitcoin purchases with credit cards
- Honor 9 Lite: Four cameras and luxe design impress us so far
- Why Final Fantasy XV Pocket Edition is the most essential mobile game right now
- Vodafone Ireland promises 5G rollout within 24 months
- Your emails and questions answered!
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00:00 You're listening to text message, the UK focused technology podcast with me at [inaudible] and I am currently coming to you from the southbound side of the [inaudible] just around Nottingham with no mrs this week. Uh, but I am here of course with my brother and the driver seat, an editor@CNN.com. Andrew Hoyle. Hello though I must point out I'm not your driver. Like that's my employment. That's what I do. I'm not a chauffeur for nate now. That isn't what my life has come to. Yeah. We were caught in a blizzard from, uh, where we were in Darbyshire and we thought rather than skipping a show one or try and see if we can actually do a bit of a road trip show from the [inaudible] which is what we're going to attempt to do now. Um, but nonetheless, this show is still a brought to you by you and thank you very much to our patrons supporting as each firstname.lastname@example.org forward slash UK tech and also for keeping his company in our discord channel while we've been plowing through the snow.
00:57 And so far not having killed ourselves. So if you are one of our patrons, this is your extended ad free version of this and one show and if you're not yet to patron, but we'd like to get an free versions are extended cuts, live access of course to artist called members club. Hadn't had to patreon.com forward slash Yuki tech and find out how you can support us with no commitment. Let's get on with some news then I think, well we are just approaching junction 22 on the southbound and one a UK. Banks have banned bitcoin purchases with credit cards. Lloyds banking group in fact, has a banned people from doing so. They represent banks, including Halifax and Bank of Scotland. And The Guardian says this week that it's thought to be the first time in the UK that credit card customers have been banned from borrowing in order to buy the crypto currency.
01:50 Now, significant numbers of people in Britain are thought to have bought bitcoin as it's searched in value. And I peeked over 14,000 pounds for one bitcoin in December, but it's fallen as low as 4,000, 300 pounds this week. So one of the reasons that banks are doing this is to prevent people from buying something at a value of 10 grand, getting themselves into a lot of debts thinking they're going to get a good return on that bitcoin investment only to end up in crippling debt that they can't repay and the bank would ultimately have to foot the bill for. Um, so, you know, bitcoin has gone through a very wide range of price changes over the last year or so. Um, on Tuesday it managed to bounce back up to about 70 are $9,000 as well. Six, 7,000, 6,000 pounds. And then the, he'd had a [inaudible] slump so far from the high that we've bought it just now in December of 14,000 pounds.
02:46 And this is kind of really shows what can, what can go wrong with something like bitcoin. And I think one of the most interesting examples of where people have perhaps a got into hot water, or at least in this case, not got into cold water, was back 2010. There was a classic case of a Florida based program at Cord Laszlo. Um, I can't pronounce his surname. Honeynet not quite sure. Let's just call him Dave. Uh, who famously bought to Papa John's pizzas for 10,000 bitcoins, 10,000 bitcoins at the time. That was only worth about $40. But at the currencies peak in December, that amount of bitcoins would've been worth about $200,000,000. And he spent it on two pizzas. And Andy, have you been a tall tempted to jump into the bitcoin crazy? All the theory and crazy as a way of trying to make a fast buck.
03:35 Has our friends across the pond would say, honestly, no, it's probably my founders that there's a lot of talking to media about focusing on his case for the people who've made so much money and about how much just one bit coin is. And so I'm finding increasingly people are wanting to experiment with this. And it seems like the one of the most risky forms of gambling possible at the moment, more so even than just sort of doing the stock market and I think that a lot of risk there and I think it's a smart move on the bank's therefore to put these restrictions in place when they know that it's going to inevitably come back as a real problem for the customers and therefore themselves. Um, so I think that's good for them. Um, but certainly for me, I have never had any particular interest.
04:19 Sure. I'm always keen to try and find a way to make some extra money. Why not? Um, you know, hence me now taking apparently a job that you'll draw though, but I don't particularly intend to put any of my new money into bitcoin. Bitcoin is one of the currencies, obviously that sits on top of the technology called blockchain. And what I find very interesting is what's happening with these things called [inaudible]. And you mentioned just now the idea of um, a bitcoin not being insecure or interesting maybe to use as the stock market is, but in the US, the security and Exchange Commission, I think we'll certainly the legal system in the US is trying to consider where these initial coin offerings, this idea of instead of giving people shares of a company, giving them tokens, um, that can ultimately be redeemed when the company sort of hits its targets.
05:04 Um, and they're trying to decide on whether they're going to turn those into what are called security. Is it something that is much closer to a traditional, as a share of stock in a company that versus something that's completely unregulated, de-centralized and basically comes with no counties. Um, so we've seen an awful lot this year of activity in this, uh, in this field and I think 2018 certainly is going to be probably make or break here for Bitcoin as to whether it's going to probably stick around for the long term will get crushed under regulation to the point that is effectively useless. I'd have to ask you though, because like, you know a lot more about this from your writing with Bloomberg. I'm from covering on the podcast, like would you be interested in investing in Bitcoin at this point? No, I, I'm personally not interested in investing in any cryptocurrencies, have any forums and, and obviously, you know, this is my opinion.
05:54 This isn't, uh, you know, financial advice nor the views of my employer. Um, but I would say that at this point the volatility is so great and the opportunistic nature of, of, of the market for people coming out with new coins and Youtube's of crypto currency basically means that it's, it's past the point of predictability and probably past the point that I'd want to sort of take that risky solder things like anything, these investments, if you do the stock market, if you're simply just gambling, you need to be able to afford to lose. And I think I, I simply con and I don't have enough capital behind me to want to invest knowing that there's a chance that I may lose either. It's all a significant chunk of it. And so just for me, it's just not a viable risk. Um, I'm happy to take well if you have been taking this risk and investing in people coin whether you did it before, the incredible increase in a, in a value that bitcoin is seen recently, or if you've just decided to put down a few pounds and see if you can make a return, would be very interested to know what you've done and if you've made any, any money back from that. And do please let us know. Hello. At Tech podcasts dot UK.
07:11 Well we are now just six miles north. All the less so to celebrate, we are going to talk about the honor nine light for no reason other than that's next. Here in the script. Now, this is an interesting phone that Andy previewed for Cnet Dot com this week. It sort of sits in the upper mid range of phones, but I'm very interested in it because for one thing from the back, at least according to Andy's photos, it looks a lot like the iphone [inaudible] plus had a child in the form of the folate of course, uh, with the, uh, the Google Pixel to. It's got the fingerprint sensor in the middle of the back of the display, but it's also got the twin camera setups, a setup in horizontal orientation on the back to it's made of metal and glass. It's got a five point six inch display, [inaudible] pixel resolution metal and glass design.
07:56 And it runs one of his own processes, which is one of the reasons why it's able to be at this price, which I think is around the 200 pound mark. So I'm the. You've been playing with this phone, you seem to be quite impressed with this so far, at least according to the headline you wrote for Ciena. And give us an overview. What's exciting about this phone? Why, why are you so keen to write about it? So crucially, this is a phone that you've mentioned, it's got this metal and glass design and it does look, I'm feel like I'm much more premium device. It's got the display has this edge to edge almost bezel free design, which is the sorts of things that we're, we're used to seeing now on high end phones. I'm certainly, as you mentioned, like the Pixel and certainly the excel where it's really pushes that screen to the edge.
08:39 Um, it's something that you'd expect to pay a lot more money for it, but this phone at 200 pounds, you really get a hell of a lot of phone. Um, that looks really, really nice. The specs are solid. The, um, the full hd resolution, um, his pen sharp, the cameras, OK, fine. It's not a great camera. It's not one of the best. Certainly one of the best camera in the business. Go for the iphone or galaxy [inaudible]. But this is perfectly good enough for your snaps and it's got enough power to kind of do everything you'd normally want to do on a daily basis. Um, for just 200 quid. It's just such a low amount of money and you said yourself versus, um, it's like an upper mid-range phone and it is in terms of specs, but it's not in terms of price that is very much entry level swap phone price.
09:22 Um, and really if you're on a budget then this is the phone to go for. So you would pick this over to some of the mid range Samsung galaxies if, if, if it was for somebody who wasn't able to or simply didn't want to spend the hundreds of pounds that even some of those mid-range phones at this point can go for at the moment. Yeah. I hasten to add up the. I've only spent a few days with this phone. I'm testing it out. Um, uh, sort of casually, um, we haven't run a full series of test. Yeah, that's something that we always reserve our final judgment for the full review and seen it. But I'm so at the moment it seems to offer really a lot more than you get from a lot of competing brands. Certainly Samsung's phones, I've typically been less impressed with that, with their lower end offerings to them or affordable phones.
10:06 Um, but in terms of a spectrum as well, we're looking towards other phones that maybe costs 350 pounds towards 400 pounds I think is nearest competitor is something like the Moto g five plus, which is a, I believe about 250 to 300 pounds in the UK to quite a lot more money, a big percentage more than the [inaudible] light, but on paper that very, very simplified. In fact, I much prefer the design on an island on a light because of that really sleek looking glass back in the bold blue collar. It stands out because a lot of the affordable phones, we tend to be pretty dull affairs really. They tend to be black and gray and not much going on there. But this looks the part. What do you say this compares then to what nok is doing? Because from what I've seen, the, like the Nakia sex for example, seems to be trying to sit in this market and kind of take this market for its own.
11:00 I think it's around the same sort of price. The specs to me, look, you know, comparable. How does that compare? I'm in practice at the moment and again I say I have a lot of time with it. It performs a lot better. Monocular steaks. I was very disappointed overall with the Nakia sex. It's got that big screen and it's got quite um, quite a cool looking metal design with those sort of sharp cut edges. But to me that seemed like a more refined phone. Um, it's a bit sleeker to use fewer of the, of the APP crashes and bumps and delays, the experience with Nakia sex, um, other studies, early days. And I haven't been able to put those two photos side by side, but I will be doing. Um, but so far this is definitely a phone to keep in mind. Final question then, and then I'm looking at some of the pictures on your write-up, on the website when the photographs that you've taken with the device, from what I can see, the camera quality is actually very, very impressive.
11:53 It seems to do a decent background blurring effect for the front fender, from the front facing camera and the rear facing camera, you know, decent colors, reasonably sharp, at least according to this photo. Um, and certainly I would say above what I would have expected from a mid range camera. Would you, would you agree with that? Definitely. So far the pictures look vigilant, pretty decent. And crucially what you mentioned at the background blur on the front facing camera, this is the first phone as well, that it's got a, it's got four cameras in total. It's got a 13 megapixel, um, with a depth sensing camera on the back so you can get that, uh, that Bokeh effects, uh, it's got the exact same setup on the front as well. So when you want to take their selfies with background blur, then you've got that option as well.
12:34 Now I will say that the tests so far, they are decent. You can get a, you can get a fair picture of your face with a bit of out of death. I'm sorry, am I too focused up the fields to that background, but it's not a, it's not a match for the iphone acts. The iphone acts without software processing is a lot better. Now, of course is that fax is 800 pounds more, 800 pounds above. So you would expect a lot better performance that. But um, it's great and it's a nice little effects that you can get from, uh, from this price of phone, which maybe you wouldn't expect to get for this price. You may expect, oh, well that's, that's a feature you get on a higher end phone. But no, you get that and that's really cool. Well, we're going to include a link to mds preview and his photos on the, on the scene in the show notes at tech podcast dot UK. So do look that up. It's certainly worth looking at at least just to have a look at some of these pictures. Both of the devices itself, um, as well as the pictures that the phone has produced because I think both are impressive, although obviously the award would probably go to md for the photography of the device, but we'll leave that in your hands, darious listeners to make up your own mind, find that and let us know any thoughts you have on it. Hello. At Tech podcast dot UK.
13:50 Well we're now cruising about 20 miles north of a rugby teams. The, the, uh, the place, not the sport. If I have no idea what the connection is between the sports and the place. Maybe the sport. It originated in rugby. And do you have any views on that? I actually think he's got nothing to do with it. Very well. Insightful stuff. Let's move on then and talk about final fantasy 15 pocket edition. Now. We don't often talk about games on the podcast logic because I don't necessarily believe that everyone who is interested in tech is interested in games, but we had to pick out this one to talk about simply because of I think the fact it represents a new benchmark for mobile gaming. This is a console grade remake essentially have a console, an actual console game, fun 2015. It had been in development for 10 years.
14:39 The console version. It was very, very impressive. Certainly I enjoyed it and played through it and enjoyed it. A great deal by wife enjoyed it too, so generally speaking, an excellent game. So when square annex, which was the developer of the game, came and said, OK, we're going to remake this entire game without really cutting it down in any, in any way for mobile. I was both excited and massively skeptical at the same time, but the first few days of release has shown me is that this really is probably the best game of its type on mobile ever released. It plays like a full size console quality game. The story is exactly the same as the console version or the voice acting is the same. Even the animations from what I can tell, look exactly the same. It's also, it's almost as if somebody did a find and replace, come out and on the code and said, just remove the graphics and replace them with these graphics and then export as if it was the same because almost nothing is different.
15:39 Some of the exploratory aspects of the game. I just slightly less open worldy I'm cooking but still vast and it still feels like the same world that we were. We were playing last year in the console game. And the other thing that's interesting about this is the fact that square enix has chosen to price the game at 20 pounds and they've gone for an interesting model because you can play for the first chapter of the game, which is, you know, maybe an hour or game play depending on how you, depending on how you play and then it prompts you to pay either for the next one or two chapters at [inaudible] in the UK. That is, um, for each chapter or just by the rest of the game for 20 quid, you can play offline and then sync you'll saves back to the cloud. And for me it's a great thing to see.
16:22 We started recently as well with Sid Maya, civilization [inaudible] where that was brought to the ipad in. It's in his exact face if it was exactly the same as the PC version. There were no changes other than some tweaks for the interface for the touchscreen. It was otherwise a full size on indeed also full price game. And also an earlier example, if this was the ex com series and the two key publishers and that they released that on the ipad and uh, it was basically exactly the same game just with some graphical reductions. So Andy, you've played this game through a big fan of funnels once and I was a huge fan of final fantasy 15. I personally think this sets a new benchmark for what is possible on a mobile device and I should point out it's also playable on the iphone and it will be coming to android as well.
17:11 I'm extremely excited about this because I think that as long as they sell as well, this sends a real message to game developers that there's a, there is now a real market for truly console level gaming on the move. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. It's fantastic. I have had some misgivings in the early days. The release has going out. I think it is a bit buggy. Um, I've had some issues whereby when I save a game and then come to reload it at a later point, um, it will simply not load my safe file and I've had to restart the game and I've had to manually sync over cloud saves, reinstall the game and various problems that have come up and things like, um, when I've been in battle, some of the dialog that the courage to say to each other at one point switched to German and then back again.
17:58 Um, which was very, which is very odd. So I don't quite know what that was about and I've been on the reviews and that is something that I've seen other people complain about. So I think that that is, that they are known bugs. I'm so disappointed because I was really keen to kind of get on with this game and to start playing through because you're right, I love final fantasy. The storyline was great. The game play was great. This is stripped back the, the um, the, the art style itself, it's more cartoony. Whereas, um, the, the, the console version was more, I'm not quite photorealistic but proper 3d graphics, um, on, uh, it's more linear where whereas before we find the font to 15, you had a full open world, you can explore every single little area. You've got more like set routes around different zones. So it's uh, if they have, um, so patty back.
18:48 But I think in, in ways that doesn't detract from the actual gameplay it feels, it still feels like they have the final fantasy 15 that we've, that we've really enjoyed to definitely just looking forward to frankly getting [inaudible], getting home, making a cup of tea. I'm carrying on play. I think the, the, the art style is an interesting one because the way you described it, I would slightly disagree with. I mean certainly, yes, it's, it's, it's visually very, very different, but at the same time it's, it's, it's still also very, very high resolution, you know, great quality texts. His background, full 3d. It's a design that has this been plate, you know, release for console. I don't think anybody would've criticized it. I think they would have just said they've gone for an interesting style this time around and we've seen that in other, in other games, you know, some of them more cartoony games like, um, that the tales of Austria and his and his brothers and sisters.
19:39 And I'd say also I'm like Zelda breath of the wild on the switch, like they went for, um, that sort of cell shading, um, art style, which firstly, it looks stunning and it's a really lovely environment to be in. But it's also, um, a slightly lighter weight on the left demanding of the, uh, the consults, a processes which overall does makes for a much smoother gameplay and fewer crashes, fewer points in battle. Um, so again, like I think they've made absolutely the right decision on that game and I think the same is true of a funnel. Twenty 15. I think it's interesting you mentioned this, which actually I wasn't planning on bringing that up, but now think about it. This, this version of [inaudible] [inaudible] could easily be played on the switch and it will be amazing on the switch. I think the switches, I adore the switch for RPG.
20:24 So, um, I, I invested hundreds of hours in Zelda breath of the wild. Same again now I've been replaying Skyrim. Um, I'm think skyrim on the switch has been for me and absolutely revolution of that game. I've played that game on, on multiple consoles and PC. I'm on playing it again on the switch and being able to just immediately load it up and play wherever I am in the bath, in bed on a plane, on a train, on the tube, on the way to work is just fantastic. It's really kind of opened up that gain for me. Um, and I think definitely the same could be, could be true of final fantasy. I'd happily invest the same amount of hours a day on the console version, on the xbox rather than the pissed for. I did a, I would happily pay that same amount again on the switch where we've just passed the sign saying welcome to Northamptonshire.
21:10 So that's exciting to me. And we're about to run out of fuel. So we do need to stop pretty quickly. That seems like a good enough point to wrap up this segment before we, uh, sort of literally stop in the middle of this four lane side of the [inaudible], but let us know any thoughts you have on final fantasy 15 is a pocket edition. Hello and tech podcast.uk if you haven't played it, but you've got one of the later generation iphones or ipads. The game is free to download and they feel curious just to see the, the, the state of what mobile gaming is like today and maybe haven't played too many games before. There's no harm in going and downloading this free the first hour or so. And just get a sentence for what's being done now in gaming because as the last few minutes of conversation and hopefully shown this is probably sets a bit of a new benchmark and uh, it's made us very excited as to what's to come, although we need to pull over. So we'll be back after this. Sound effect.
22:12 Well, you'll read joining us now at Watford gap service station where we stopped for fuel successfully and also a cup of tea. I'm very excited to once again get to talk about the promise of high speed broadband, but this time under the twin umbrella of both Ireland, Ireland, Rural Ireland and also five g, that's because Vodafone island has promised the rollout of 5g within 24 months. Having successfully demonstrated the mobile technology as and event in Dublin. This is according to the Irish Times this week, Vodafone have partnered with Erickson and said it achieved speeds of can you guess the speeds that they achieved? I'm up to one GIG, 15 gigabits per second with a latency of less than five milliseconds, which is extremely good. And now it's generally believed that any devices being able to take advantage of five g tech won't be commercially available until at least 20, 20.
23:06 The industry body SMA has forecast will be one point, 1,000,000,005 g connections globally by 2025 now we're in 2018 now that seven years away until we have just a billion connections, which I and I say just because five g will be in so many more devices and smartphones and tablets. That to me, 1,000,000,000 doesn't seem like an awfully high number. But just the thing that we may be only 18 months, 24 months away from five being deployed, you know, that's, that's really quite exciting. Um, we did get a bit more detail about how this is actually going to work, which is one of the most interesting aspects of this right now is just how are these technologies going to be deployed? And Vodafone Islands told the Irish Times that intends to deploy 5g radio is on top of base stations for, for Ge. So the [inaudible] transmitters.
23:53 And they'll then connect the signals, which meant apparently according to Vodafone, that full GE customers shouldn't see any disruption in the coming years while they're rolling this out and also maybe see improved for gi services in the future as that basically investing in existing infrastructure. So is this just for um, uh, cities or is this going to be a role that into the rural areas of Ireland was there are many. While this is the really interesting question, because there is an enormous problem both in rural Ireland as well as parts of England, certainly rural Scotland as well, where the advancements in technology essentially continue to be prioritized for the cities and more densely populated areas. So rural people tend to get left behind and worse as well, the wireless solutions that, you know, like five g increasingly use much higher frequency radio plots of the radio spectrum.
24:41 So they deliver the fastest speeds, but over short distances, which means the less able to penetrate buildings and certainly harder to navigate around the cliffs and valleys that we see in rural Ireland. Um, I mean that's hard enough for full ge, even 3g in some, in some regions. So for 5g it's mentioned in the Gigahertz, it's just, it's going to be a real problem. So yeah, it's, it's going to be a set thing. Initially, I'm now Richard Taylor, who's one of our patrons and we were talking about this and the, the Patriot on discord chat room, which, which patrons have access to about this because he lives in Northern Ireland and in a very rural positive, the very north of Northern Ireland and Richard said the same broadband woes that are in the Republic of Ireland on merit. And the note to it's the small rural areas not helped by government plans for social housing back in the seventies and eighties was small groups of council houses were built in the middle of the countryside.
25:31 Many of these have single glazing windows and getting internet connectivity faster than naught point two megabits. So 200 kilobits per second is a dream for the future, particularly in rural areas, which it says, but it has to be government led in terms of, you know, the problem being fixed here. Why are we wasting billions on 15 minute faster trains between London and Birmingham rather than setting up full national wireless coverage to Ole truly buffalo's Manufa and was certainly, I think he would be saying, Hey, I'm not just to clarify his position in relation to me that he was here, but also that he agrees twice in five. Richard further points out. It could be a real great winning an election manifesto for the Irish government to prioritize five g with a minimum speed of 300 megabits for everyone and call it a national utility, which I think would be, would be great.
26:23 I think he'd be excellent because it gives people abilities to work into and to, and to start businesses and work remotely. And so people aren't tied to the cities. That's the whole point of having a wider rollout in the UK. We've got housing crisis as in London on crises rather. And I'm on a statistic becoming increasingly populated by having these, um, these infrastructures in place. It means that people can effectively work wherever they need to and start businesses from the homes, whether that's a home on the outskirts of Sheffield or a home in the highlands, in the middle of the mountains. Like that's what, that's what will help these places develop. I don't think you listened to our show last week. Did you? Uh, let's just go with yes, but also no. Why go back and listen to it and see if you'll come and sound eerily familiar to those of Mr Morris.
27:12 Oh well man, Mr Maurice, where you get on with a lot of, a lot of similar opinions. Well Richard says that one of the only ways they are able to connect to the internet is by using a 3G 4g modem. Essentially. There's no wide connection available to them. I asked him how much a w, you know, what sort of prices they have to pay for that. And he says they have a 450 gigabytes a month limit on [inaudible] network for about 20 pounds a month. 20, 21 pounds a month, which to me sounds like a bloody great deal. It's huge. Yeah, whether there was enough for a business, because obviously if you're depending on your, on your business, but that could be um, a fairly limiting, but obviously for personal use and even for me as a, as a journalist and photographer, that would be considerably more than I would ever realistically need to use.
27:55 Um, every month where he says I'm, it's OK until you try and watch a full movie from itunes. He said you have to wait nine hours until he could watch blade runner 29 on his appletv full k. So I just got to say I feel you'll pay and I don't. I have 319 megabit fiber optic at home. Um, but on the other hand, I remember what it was like back in the nineties. Um, and, uh, just channeling that feeling of pain. Now, Andy mentioned the highlands of Scotland. Now we had an email from Ali foot, another listener who says, hi guys. Thought you might be interested in the coverage situation and Ullapool northwest Scotland. Dudley, you're right, Ali. I am all village has around 1200 residents but increasing. But that increases considerably during the summer tourist season. We also have thousands of travelers using the ferry service, which said, which serves the outer Hebrides.
28:38 It's the major hub for the western isles. And the hall recently underwent a 30,000,000 pound improvement program to improve many ferry services. Olive Pool is a, is up significant importance to the economy of the highlands. Also were not a major accommodation provider for the very popular in both coasts. Um, and this is not a remote community. However, three in eee provide an alleged three g service. I've never seen the three g icon on any of my phones and can only get an average download speed of around 200 kilobits per second on a good day, which actually is exactly the same figure that Richard joked about in the previous message. Vodafone and [inaudible] only provide to ge. They have never upgraded. It's absolute joke, especially since the village has had five abroad band for over a year now. Interesting. Last week I was in luck. Inva that. Is it citizen? I think so, yeah.
29:27 A small village, uh, 13 miles north and received 30 megabit per second for Ge in a formal, remote and mountainous area. We also continually lose all mobile services for weeks at a time after storms. The last outage was at Christmas and lasted about three weeks. Hope this dismal situation gives you an insight into the problem. Yeah, it absolutely does. And, um, a couple of years ago, my wife and I were up in the highlands of Scotland and um, you know, we had such terrible job just maintaining any kind of internet connectivity, which was a real problem when we were relying on gps on our phone for maps. Fortunately, Kate's addicted to ordinance survey, so we had a healthy stock of maps in the back. But nonetheless it was, it was, uh, it was a challenge. In all honesty, this doesn't make me any less jealous of you, Allie, for living in such a beautiful parts of the world. My dream is to move to the highlands. Whether or not I can get good Internet access.
30:19 Let's move into our mailbag before andy and I pull out of what food services station. There's a car just driving past looking nervous. He can't find a space. He's just using the full quarter turnaround. Kimberly writes in from the US in response to our conversation around the future of education where maybe teachers on always required in schools, [inaudible] video link and mobile technologies. Uh, she says, I think this can be great for secondary level students, but not for preschool. Elementary. That's a, what do we call that over here? Nursery and primary school and those kids need the physical presence of a teacher and classmates. I think about simply teaching someone to cut or right without being able to help them position the hands. I know at my school, even the fifth graders frequently would hug that teacher. Kids that age just need a physical presence. Also, something I would worry about on both levels is hunger.
31:08 Seventy percent of the students at the school where I taught dependent on free and reduced breakfast and dinners, we would have kids come to us crying and begging him not to have thanksgiving break because there was no food at home. Eventually, a local charities started a program that's sent home breakfast and lunch for every family member under 18 in all needy fem in a needy families each weekend for breaks longer than three days. They would set up in our parking lot and handout meals each day. These was shelf stable things like breakfast bars along with a sandwich, but more than what our kids have at home this year, several districts in my area are actually providing dinner because of the number of families displaced by flooding from Harvey. That was the hurricane, wasn't it? Fund. These schools are often the first time child abuse is reported here in the states.
31:49 We've had horrific cases of child abuse that had been covered up by homeschooling. Now in the secondary level, that's completely different. I know kids that have thrived using remote schooling in the middle of Houston where I lived in Virginia Texas in the nineties, a group of school districts were using a variation on this. They served a huge area, but very small populations. They wanted advanced classes, but often no one had the local knowledge to teach these classes and no one with the knowledge wanted to work for the low wages in an isolated area. They were using video conferencing and hiring experts and teachers from other areas to do the teaching. In the case of science classes, a member of the local staff will be trained to supervise lab classes for safety reasons. I moved, so I don't know how successful they are and that's really interesting.
32:29 I've never particularly that the thought about about the physical side of, of teaching, the using scissors, the, the painting classes and things like that. That yeah, that would be very difficult to justify replacing even semi permanently with a remote teacher. Completely agree that that's the whole point of, of, of, of learning at such a young age is, is the interaction not only with the teachers but with other students as well. The, the inspiration you get from seeing how other children tackle problems and then you learn how to do those problems yourself, um, is absolutely crucial to education. So I don't think that will anytime soon hopefully see a replacement for, uh, for the classrooms that sort of age. But I completely agree. I think the opportunities for, uh, for bringing different types of education to all the students, um, it's fantastic using teleconferencing and whatnot.
33:19 I think the interaction with other kids as well is always going to be important. And I think particularly in, in, uh, you know, uh, in, in the world where, you know, prejudices sadly rife in, in a lot of parts of the world. I member in an all school where we grew up in, in, in dob show, we had a lot in our class who had down syndrome and he was incredibly well liked by all the students anyways. And it was great having him in class because it meant he got a much more normal education rather than being isolated somewhere else. But it also meant a lot of the young kids, you know, 11, 12, 13, you know, the age groups where kids can be quite mean. Um, you know, they, they were used to having someone in their daily lessons who was less able than than they were and we had very, very little if any discrimination, um, against the kids with, with disabilities in the school and I believe it was because the school would, you know, welcomed, you know, a great number of, um, of, of people with down syndrome and other disabilities into the lessons.
34:17 I think it was great. Yeah, that, that I think that's a good example of when it does work with there all sadly plenty of examples where it doesn't, where maybe that particular child's needs will be different and, and that sort of inclusive education isn't necessarily the right solution for them. Um, and I think that there again, we're going have, um, continue to see occasions where a more hands-on approach is necessary where simply having that child in front of a screen isn't going to work. I'm not only just for their needs, but also, um, if they need so much attention from a teacher in a room, but the rest of the children don't get enough attention, then again, you're still having the problem that people are falling behind for different reasons. So I think, I think that needs to be solutions that will suit everyone's needs.
34:59 And I think certainly by having, using tag, um, will allow that to happen. I think in a way that is less costly than simply having tons of teachers. It makes me wonder whether in the classroom of the future, it's not so much about replacing the teachers but augmenting them with ai assistance. So if you do have a child that's requiring more of a teacher's time, maybe some of the more able students are able to be assisted by an ai that's responding to their very specific needs and also knows that educational background, their abilities, their grades, what subjects they excel at in order to provide a kind of customized tuned. I'm always up to date assistance while the physical teacher is, is helping someone, you know, learning what painters, not to mention the ease of which a, a, an ai equipped robot could deliver electric shocks if that child doesn't pay attention and.
35:46 Well, thank you very much for prompting such an interesting debate kimberly. Um, if any other teachers or people in educational establishments have views on how tech is or isn't assisting in the current, previous, old, perhaps future schools, maybe you have a crystal bowl. Um, feel free to rub it and let us know what appears in it. Hello Tech podcasts dot UK. Mike Gilmore wrote in one of our regular and frequent support isn't listeners. Um, he said I ton in Nola for you on new. Sorry. Just thought I'd write in again with some more news from inside the mobile industry. This time to follow up on your list this week that asked about visual voicemail. You have had the service for a number of years now though, isn't activated by default. You need to request it or text and he short code to switch it on. The good news is that Vodafone is launching visual voicemail this year, provisionally penciled in for the third quarter, so sometime after the summer they went to [inaudible] last year for the supplier than you visual voicemail system hit in the UK, but chose not to invest in the old system to upgrade it for visual voicemail, which is why we basically had to wait so long for it.
36:48 Um, so that's, that's fascinating. So we all getting visual voicemail I posited last week that it was pointless because so few, you know, few people are using phones and more people are leaving messages via messaging Apps, but apparently Vodafone is going to be great. So that's, that's great. Um, and you'll enjoy this email. We, Steve at Collins who is over the moon about theme hospital effectively coming back. It's a positivity of the two. I think it's called two point hospital. I'm going to be creating it. It's coming back. Says m says to it's. I loved that game. Genuinely. Every couple of months I'll google to see if there's anything similar around the couple but not nearly as good. I'm a neuroscientist and work in the farm industry. I'm pretty sure that there's some origins from playing this as a kid. Please keep us updated and please let it not just be on the PC.
37:33 I'm Mac only. Um, fascinating to think that theme hospital may have inspired someone to become a neuroscientist. I mean, you studied psychology pattern. Did you ever think about becoming a neuroscientist as a result of the policy? It was entirely because of the hospital in the same way. I also nearly became a theme park. A developer I'm on also wants you to be sonic the hedgehog. Um, um, I just take all my cues from games and now I haven't done. I'm pretty sad about the way my life's gone. Um, I'm however overjoyed at the idea of a theme hospital coming back. Was it, was it specifically for the PC consoles or was it going to be a. because this seems like a game was designed for and now these days it's only been coming for them pc, but I am going to be funding out mold because I think it would be a missed opportunity not to release it on, uh, on the Mac and certainly on the IPAD and android tablets.
38:22 It seems like it would be a massive missed opportunity. Absolutely. It, that is gold for the IPAD. Dragging out where you want your hospital to be putting people like it's a, it's a completely touched based game. It means to be on an IPAD. Well finally, uh, we had a short note from Richard Oldroyd who said, who wrote in about all discussion around cats based technology and he said, I have not yet got account fee that has facial recognition, but I do have count fetus that work via the chip that the cat's having them for identification. He says they're expensive, but they sold the front counter skinny cow problem. He, if the fat cat comes up the feeder recognize as based on the chip and doesn't give food. And when the skinny kid who doesn't eat enough does come up, he says, you'll just, you on on opens a supply of food.
39:09 It's called a microchip pet. Fida. According to Richard, that's the one he uses, surely just seems like the fat cap seem to be the biggest cats. Could be enough to sort of drag the thing, cuts over to a fee to hold it down until it recognizes I'm then the fact God takes the food. Fortunately counts haven't developed that level of maliciousness yet. Shame in a way. I'm well that's going to do it for this week. Thank you everybody for listening, for putting up with the thought that we've been recording this, uh, on the road. But hopefully you've enjoyed the slightly different atmosphere that has given us. Let's check into Tom Merit or rather, let's check in with tomer goodness. Don't check into him. That would be incredibly rude and invasive. I'm Tom. What's been going on in the wider world of tech this week? Thank you guys. This week on daily Tech News show, we chat about the center for humane technology and whether we need early start-up employees to protect us from the huge company those startups have become round Seville about apple's poor communication skills.
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