Thanks For Everything, Stephen Hawking: TM 129
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- Stephen Hawking, legendary theoretical physicist, dies at 76
- Porn site age verification plans delayed due to security and privacy concerns
- Rugged Cat S61 phone packs thermal imaging on steroids
- Vivo concept phone
- Amazon recalls fire-risk power packs in UK, Europe and US
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00:01 Hi everyone, just before we start this week show, just to let you know that halfway through this week's recording we had a very slight issue with the recording quality of one of our guests. So the sound quality just changes slightly for, for just a few minutes and then it does come back, so hopefully you'll bear with us and enjoy the show. You're listening to text message, the UK focused technology podcast with me at eight links in and not joining me this week is in Maurice, but in his considerably sized choose. It's seen that [inaudible] senior editor, Andrew Hoyle. Hello Andrew. How are you doing these massive shoes, size of a, of a, of a, of a house in the districts. It raises the question of why he needs a shoe horn at all. Well, uh, yes. And is out of action unfortunately this week. So Andy's done as the great honor of joining us from what is essentially a weekend away.
00:54 So thanks very much. And we didn't want to go another week without a show. Um, last week we had our Japan special with my wife. I hope everyone who listened to that enjoyed it has some really great feedback on that. So thank you. And we'll hopefully be resuming our usual programming with Ian next week. Uh, but nonetheless, thank you to our patrons supporting as every week at Patrion dot-com tech. If you're a patron, this is your extended ad free version of this week's show. If you're not yet a patron, but we'd like to get our ad free versions, which includes additional stories, live streaming usually, and access to our discounted members club, amongst other things had to patriot dot-com slash Yuki [inaudible] to find out how you can support us with no commitment. We'd love you to give it a try. Even just for a month. Now we have to start with the elephant in the room here.
01:40 A bit of a sad story. Everyone knows about this, but we can't not talk about it. Stephen Hawking, the British physicist and all amongst other incredible books has passed away at the age of 76. And he was a, this is a quote from his, uh, I think a statement from his family says he was a great scientist and an extraordinary man who's working legacy will live on for many years. His courage and persistence with his brilliance and humor inspire people across the world. He wants said it would not be much of a universe if it wasn't home to people you love will miss him forever. I'm very sudden news this Sunday. I mean a long time coming in a sense. Doctors gave him a very short amount of time to live after he was diagnosed with motor neuron disease and he sort of defied all the odds to live to the ripe old age of 76 where he died in Cambridge. Um, according to his family. I'm a great guy and very inspirational to me personally. What about you?
02:36 Yeah, very, very much so. Um, as I think to everyone in the, in the science and technology world, and I'm sure, I'm sure the fields are much, much further than that as well. Um, he has, he's an incredibly, well considering the sort of scale of his illness, um, to reach the agency has done and achieved so many things along the way. I know that you, you, you met him personally. Um, uh, there was something I was, I was hoping
03:00 to do myself. Obviously they're a possible, but I know that you, um, currently yourself in a, uh, very proud number of people who have been able to do that. Yeah, absolutely. I met him a few years ago at the, I think it was at the royal society. There's a presentation for something else covering for wired at the time. Um, and Steven was there. He was giving a, a brief talk, um, at the time and afterwards when everyone was leaving. I did, I got a chance to meet him and I was, it was one of those moments where I was genuinely speechless. And it very rarely happens. I always seem to have something to say. Um, but I, I have absolutely no at the time I remember having absolutely no idea what to say because I was not expecting to meet him. I just remember thanking him and it's the only thing that came into my head was to thank him because it was because of him and you know, when I was in my teens, I got very into science and almost went into studying astrophysics instead of becoming a journalist and it was all because of him and, and, you know, have many of his books.
04:02 And I just remember saying thank you. And then I said something else, which I completely forgot, but whatever it was that I'd said, he replied with the word yes. So I wasn't run Stephen Hawking. No, it wasn't, it was nothing as frivolous as that. Um, but, um, I'm sure whatever it was was highly insightful, but he was in a, he appeared of Futurama. He appeared in the simpsons who's a big fan of the simpsons and my work. And I think those appearances really kind of underscored his, his great sense of humor, you know, despite dealing with um, an incredibly unfortunate illness, um, he, he's sort of still managed to treat life with a great degree of humor and, and fun. And I think that that in itself is, is inspirational to be honest, I would love to think I could retain that level of humor, um, and positivity if I was in a situation that he'd been in for so many years. Absolutely.
05:01 Absolutely. Well, um, if anybody hasn't heard about this, I'm sorry to be the one to break the news to you, but there are of course some fantastic obituaries online. I'm wired did a fantastic [inaudible]. I highly recommend reading that he was a friend of mine obviously from when I was at wired, but um, he actually spent quite a great deal of time with, uh, with Steven over the years, particularly during one time when he was writing a feature about him as a cover story. So I definitely recommend that above others, but there are plenty. And, uh, if you have any, have any memories of Stephen Hawking, any favorite works of his or any reasons why it inspire, he inspired you. Do let us know. We'd love to hear some examples for next week show. Hello at tech podcast dot UK.
05:45 Well, I'm the government plans to force adult websites to put an age verification. Barriers have been delayed following warnings. That's such a database could pose privacy and security risks is according to the three this week as part of the Digital Economy Act to the UK. Government is forcing commercial porn websites to have a robust age verification system to ensure that visitors are over the age of 18 before they can access any smart. And the new age checks were supposed to go live in April. But these concerns have been raised around the implementation of these checks and the risk that essentially such checks could involve third party verification. And if the data was somehow compromised on behalf of adults, it could be extremely embarrassing to have a large database of adults who've been registered, uh, or had to prove their age somehow in order to access a very wide range of pornography sites.
06:39 So, um, the goal wasn't to do that is our job isn't to embarrass adults, but that's the risk. The goal was of course to save God kids and keep them away from pornography. Um, and the DC, uh, the, uh, sorry, the department for Digital Culture, media and sport has said that the checks will still be implemented later this year. So it's, it's a poles, it's not a kill. Um, andy, I have to tend to you initially for, for your, for your thoughts on age verification, um, but rather than answer my own question, which is something I often tend to do on this show, um, what are your views in general on age gates?
07:17 It's tricky because I'm completely on the fence. The fence of the gates. I'm, as it were, um, in the. I totally appreciate that they are important and that protecting, protecting children from seeing things that they simply shouldn't be seeing, um, is important. Um, what I don't know how to do them and clearly the ways that we've used so far. Uh, so, um, uh, I'll wait. I don't know if that's still a case, were simply putting in credit card details, um, walls itself, even with it wasn't paid was this, was the, which was the age verification. Um, so anything that could potentially cause a security risk to adults, which is um, uh, what the, what we're discussing now is definitely the wrong way around it when they're talking about using third party services that party, um, you know, the external service where there's inflammation that's being held to be a various bits of information about these apples using these services. Sketch [inaudible] on the internet does not seem like a safe or a suitable option. Um, that said, I don't know what is,
08:26 it's definitely been a precedent as well for these kinds of leaks happening and the embarrassment that they can cause being made very, very apparent. I think the most notable example would be the Ashley Madison leaks a few years ago where there were, it was for extra marital affairs and there were many people who had their details released into the public as a result of the hack. And these are, you know, married individuals who almost certainly would not like the use of such a service to be put out into the public domain. Even even if there was some plausible deniability and they were not signing up to this site in order to have an extra marital affair that I imagined those numbers are few and far between, um, it's just embarrassing to have to battle that. Um, and I don't see any reason why that couldn't happen with pornography websites and part of me wonders whether it's something like Ashley Madison leaks. Actually, would it be worse than a porn site because I don't know. I get the impression that if you are married, and if I tell you I'm married and I said to my wife, I've registered or she found out that I'd registered for a pornography site. I don't think she'd be anywhere near as bothered as if I registered for an extra marital affairs website.
09:44 No, we live in an age where, um, where was commonplace access to porn is commonplace and discussion around those things no longer come with anything like the same level of uh, uh, you know, sort of snickering behind hands. Um, as it once did, um, I'm not. And that's partly because it is pretty much ubiquitous whether that was a good fit or not. It's not what I'm, I'm, I'm not disgusting here, but it's, um, but certainly I think that people being, having people's details being shoved him to be accessing, pulling as a whole concept, not necessarily embarrassing, wasn't be the wood's falling. I mean, some people would find that embarrassing, but particularly some people with more [inaudible] trusts on or private interests that I'm perhaps friends and family don't know about. Um, uh, it could be, could be sitting extremely damaging. Um, if, if the, if these checks do take different website into account, I don't know whether this is a warm service, wherever it is, just do the poll and yeah.
10:48 So No d or is it a case of a website by website access? Um, because I, I believe that the happy leaks on, on, um, uh, various gay porn websites that have inadvertently outdated some of its uses when, when they've been found to be accessing a gay porn. When that, that friends family. And in some cases, even the spouses believe themselves to be, um, to be straight. And those are very, very, um, concerning issues where it is very much ruining lives. Um, I, I would have guessed that for the most part, people just being, having an accessible generally is wouldn't not be ruining lives. But there may be people who write in and say, well, actually no, five [inaudible] or my wife found out, my husband found that I was on pole and then they actually would be very dominant to that relationship. I don't know. But, um, I think any, any measures that could potentially be leaked, it could potentially be exposed in this way is not a safe option. But we live in an age where any information the Internet is potentially open like that there. That, there very few ways of handling these things that is completely foolproof. We've seen that with any services from porn sites to extra marital affairs, side banks, whatever, anything can have these leagues. And they do. Um, and that's something that we need to be constantly aware of.
12:07 And I do wonder whether there's a little bit of a double standard when it comes to pornography versus say video games. Because at the moment, and for many years now, video games have had to have age gate where you just have to put in your date of birth in order to access a website. And this is to prevent underage, uh, you know, younger people who are too young to play the game in question, you know, if the Games are sort of for 16 year olds is to prevent you from seeing that when you're 13. But we're talking, you know, any child wishing to view that material can very easily just say they were born in 1970. Goodness knows I always used to be back in the day. Um, and, and can get immediate access to, you know, extremely violent video is of chain souls through the face and all kinds of unpleasantness that is rife in video games.
12:57 Not Because of course, those, those checks, they protect the website, not the viewer. They're there to say to the website, well, they said they were old enough. That's not all fault. So that's the only that for their benefit, but it doesn't protect the person from viewing it.
13:13 And it does make you wonder whether the knock-on effect would be adults are too afraid to register themselves as being old enough to view material and in a way you know, pornography isn't illegal and there's nothing inherently, you know, there's, there's nothing wrong in that sentence in an, in an adult wanted to view pornography, but if you to, to, to, to give it a taboo sense around it, like with an age gate and you have to prove it like that would put a lot of people off and I don't think that's great. I don't think I should know. Well, if you have any thoughts on pornography, age gates and what could be a good way of implementing them to let us know. Hello at tech podcast dot UK. And if you actually know of any countries that have implemented these successfully, would like to give us some examples for us to pass on to the government and pass off as our own ideas that are also very welcome at. Hello at tech podcast dot UK.
14:12 Well just as I was flying off to Japan mobile world, Congress was happening in Barcelona. Andy was there with the Cnet Force, uh, we did talk about a couple of the sort of top line announcements from the show before we went to a Samsung Galaxy s nine and also the new banana phone from Nokia. So we're going to put those to one side and pick out a couple of other things that Andy had highlighted that might be worth us talking about that may have slipped under the radar a little bit, but we wanted to expose for the intrigue that they hold within. The first is this vivo concept phone. Now this is an audio only podcast and so you're going to have to describe this to is what is the Vivo concept phone and why are we talking about it?
14:54 Well, first and foremost it's a rectangle, but this one is particularly cool because they have, um, in order to make the, the screen completely dominate the front of the phone. Like there is a waste of thin bezel on pretty much every edge. They've done some pretty cool things. So for one, one of the things that, that like the iphone acts with apple's notch, but not just for the front facing camera that is instead built physically into the top edge of the phone when you want to take yourself through this camera, sort of slowly slides out of the top of the phone, which looks really kind of neat, um, whether it's any better or I don't know, but it's kind of a cool thing. And now the other thing as well is that the, uh, the screen itself becomes a speaker both for phone calls and for loudspeaker and it seems to do both really, really well.
15:45 When you literally listen to someone talking on the phone, you wouldn't know that it isn't just a regular speaker and the top, like normal it and suddenly when you want to last speaker testing is loud. The whole screen effectively vibrates with etl that you wouldn't feel. It doesn't rumble across the table. I'm not quite sure how they do it, but, um, it just seemed to work really well. The third core thing is that I think are print scanner built into the display itself. So rather than having to have a home button at the bottom or do use face facebook or anything like that, uh, the fingerprint scanner is built into the screen, but it also supports to fingerprints or wants. So if she wants to double the security, you have not one but two fingerprints, uh, that you need to press down on the front access to the phone.
16:28 Um, so it just looks really cool. This is, this seems like the sort of thing where they're taking the sort of concept tech in screen, fingerprint scanning. I'm the camera thinks a little bit weird and to be honest, it looks like the first thing that will break on that phone first time you leave the phone with the camera up and it just gets snapped off. Um, but it's just doing something a little bit different, particularly in a period of time where you have smart phones are very powerful, but they're all pretty much the same. But this looks a little bit different and it's just a bit quirky. I will probably never see it on sale, but it's just a bit of fun.
17:01 I mean, apparently it is going to be on sale and that was the reason to, I, I thought it'd be worth talking about is that there were reports that they're going to put this into production later this year, which would suggest an availability next year. And we've seen that from many manufacturers time and time again, but some, you know, it's
17:19 whether we say on sale and it's exactly iterations as we saw it or it could be that they take some of those things. Um, I really don't know. I actually wouldn't want to buy a phone that has that camera that slides up like that. It really, it just looks like a liability. It really does. Um, I wouldn't, I wouldn't trust it. I think that is a different compromise to be made there.
17:40 Yeah. And the. And the model is called the apex and the company is called Vivo [inaudible], which is a Chinese manufacturer that I'd never heard of before. Now then it could well be the, this is one of those designs where another manufacturer sees it and rather reversing the tables on what China often does best, actually copy them and take this as a bit of an inspiration of how to do this. I agree with the pop-up Selfie. That's going to be the first thing that breaks because phones like this to have moving parts, it's never a recipe for complete bulletproof functionality is it?
18:13 There's always some spikes. It means a lot to do away with things like water proofing and certainly any Gusto gets inside that we cry to get tiny little pins to get out of the charging port on my phone so that the cable can go in properly. Um, you try doing that on this slide. The camera unit a, I think it would not trusting the process is truly goes a bit because this is, this is cutting edge technology that isn't inside any, any of the phone. It's almost certainly going to come with it with a pretty fat premium even given vetoes. Usual, I'm supposed to cut price area. I think this would be certainly on the much more expensive side of things, um, what do you want to invest on sorts of money, but something that could potentially be a little bit flimsy up to you I suppose, but for my money I'd go something a little bit more robust.
19:07 Well, speaking of robustness, the other device that I wanted to flag is the cat s 60, which sadly is not a feline animal. Uh, but on the other hand is a phone with a thermal imaging camera on the inside. Now I'm the w. We knew about this phone, I think maybe back in February, a little earlier in the year, but you seem to have managed to take one around [inaudible] and take photographs with this in the mill mode. Can you explain why? What, who is this product for and how does this thermal imaging work?
19:40 Well, first of all, this isn't the first, um, uh, the first, uh, thermal imaging fire the cats at 60, they launched the MTC last year is the first one that had the tech in. Um, a toll is actually provided by a company called flir who makes thermal imaging. I'm a professional, so they also do a, um, a unit that clips onto an iphone if you want to give your iphones and thermal imaging and skills, which was kind of the um, but this phone is, it's for, it's for builders, plumbers. It's for the tradesmen. So one of the best examples that you can really imagine what this phone is, if you are a plumber and you're installing networks, the pipes and the inability when you're checking them and there's a blockage somewhere. This allows you to fire the thermal and actually have a look at sort of the water flow of pipes around and you can get a very, very good work of where the heat is or where the, where the cold is.
20:29 I'm too old to see where those blockages are. And that's normally something that previously you'd need pretty high end, a thermal imaging equipment in. But having it in something that any, any plumber could have as, as his main phone or her main phone in the back of their pockets, um, is I think makes it very, very useful tool. Um, but yeah, and across as far as I as a general conceive as a concern, this is just a really cool opportunity to go around and see every day objects and see the heat map they'd give off.
21:02 Example of this has got to be the coffee. So Andy took a picture of a Latte in, uh, in, in his gallery here. And it's interesting just to see the kind of how the heat dissipates. Threw the cup into the salsa. Uh, and, and where abouts in the cup the water appears to be the hottest. It's very interesting. Interesting site also by the looks of it took some photographs of some dogs
21:24 was a dog I found is while I'm at a point to finding a dog, but the, I find it as interesting as well is because I had to. Galaxy has nine. Just how I was testing and I'll put them both facedown down on the table for about five minutes and then I carefully put one of them to run the deep bench for benchmark test, which are obviously very, very processor intensive. So I've got to take this photo side by side of one phone which looks very cold on one, which was sort of glowing Jello with, with a lot more heat. This is purely because one of them is actually doing some things, so it's really cool to see sort of a difference in heat when they're actually in, um, sort of high demand use like that. But you can use my finger to sort of write on a bit of wool rubbing the faint outline of the Cnet logo event. Took a photo answerable to the naked eye that is completely funded wool. There's nothing there at all in thermal mode. You see the heat trace left behind were rides, um, of where I've made, uh, made my drawing. Um, which is fine. I'm able to drawn something rude, but I didn't include that in my gallery.
22:25 I say, well, we'll include a link to, uh, to this gallery in the show notes. If you go to tech podcast, Dr Uk, look for episode one, 29, or if you're in a more capable podcast listening device, um, you should find the link in the embedded show notes that it's definitely worth having a look at some of these. It's picture for in this gallery that's a, that's got the two Samsung galaxy phones and dimensioned and a picture I think eight or nine, maybe not too much further. Is the picture of the Latte all well worth looking at, um, over email@example.com.
23:10 Well, owners of Amazon's own brand power bank charges. This is a category of people that randy gets at time on text message. But here's your lucky day because you lovely people have unfortunately have to be contacted by the firm and been told to stop using them. This is according to the BBC this week. That's because Amazon has recalled six models of its Amazon basics branded product. Um, this was announced in the US and Canada, but the BBC says it also applies to uk, to the UK and some European countries as well. So it's worth everyone checking if you've got an Amazon basics branded mobile power battery pack. That's because a notice posted on the US consumer product safety commission website ones that the package could overheat and ignite posing fire and burn hazards. Amazon apparently is had about 50 complaints and one report of a user suffering chemical burns after coming in contact with battery acid.
24:06 Now. No, not good. And I'm assuming has done the right thing in recording this. And we should, we should point out that everyone who's worried should, um, should check this link on, on our website, in the show notes or it's a, the BBC story that we linked to that's a, that allows you to check whether you've gotten effected model but the batteries just keeps coming. I mean, on the one hand we've got people talking about how battery powered cars and electric vehicles are the next big thing and that everyone should be excited about. Uh, moving onto. And on the other hand, we've got, you know, Samsung Galaxy note seven is exploding on planes and, and you know, battery packs leaking, battery us it onto the owners. This doesn't bode well for batteries. Does it pound?
24:49 Really? The problem is, is that what we've found so far is that companies are trying to fast charge the batteries too quick. So that was a big issue with the note seven is they're trying to put too much power too quickly into them without having the same rigorous safety checks. Um, and that is potentially concerning when you're talking about electric cars because obviously one of the big issues we have electric car ownership is the amount of time it takes to recharge. Obviously if you want to refill your car with petrol, it takes maybe a minute, um, uh, with, with the nozzle straight into the calf, but for um, for an electric car, um, certainly a large one, if you're not on a dedicated to supercharge, it could take many hours on so that there's a lot of demand there. Full, extremely fast charging. And when you're talking about batteries that size potentially bursting into flames when you will, cocooned within them a yes is a very worrying salt, so it doesn't need to be a lot of care and attention given to these things which is already happening.
25:51 Of course is that, is that is hopefully even more risk assessment is going on because the company that this happens to the first call purely because a battery overheating and, and kills a passenger is going to have a very, very terrible pl time. So the hope is that they walked onto to happen on the, these, these checks are going to take, I'm going to take place, but we all just having more and more stories of these things happening and the distinctively different reasons behind the [inaudible], behind the risks, um, for each one. So it is difficult to know what to do.
26:27 Yeah, I mean, I, I, I asked the question about whether this is essentially whether this makes batteries as a concept less attractive to be used, but I really don't think we should be fearing them because number one, these sorts of defects are extremely. I mean, I think the CPC that reported this floor in the US said something like about quarter of a million of these units have been sold in the US alone, but Amazon would receive 50 complaints of problems and in terms of, you know, Po percentages that is such a fraction of one percent that it's, it's almost not worth commenting on at all. But obviously when one person gets chemical burns, it's going to hit the papers and it's going to rightly justify a recall,
27:12 but absolutely, if it's the case of a defect, but I believe with the note seven issue, the argument was that it was actually, um, it was a design flaw like the way that the battery was not given any room to breathe basically as it, as it fast charges, um, which could in which could cause a pressurization and therefore the, um, the explosion and the different reports around that. But, but, um, certainly I think it was not necessarily that it was an individual defect, but a more widespread flaw with the design. Hence the full recall of that entire series.
27:48 Yeah. Maybe you could tell us what people should do if they, if, if the battery appears to be, you know, exploding,
27:58 uh, well, if it's currently the acts of exploding and that's a different altogether, but if you suspect that it's getting, I'm overly hot. What if you have any other problems or something if you smell, um, anything, um, around it that could suggest me something internal fuck is going on. I'm immediately unplug it from, from, from the parasols or if you're using it to an external battery to recharge your phone, unplug it from your phone, take out any wise. I'm on a budget and put it somewhere. Non-Farm flammable. Ideally maybe outside. Do not throw it into a bucket of water. Um, uh, but just to remove it from anywhere where it could cause a problem. But the, the, the, the main to is of course removing the parcels from us because that will be what is causing that issue.
28:45 Good advice. And there's plenty of advice online if you google what to do when a battery explodes. I just did it. And, um, there's quite a few answers, but if you've got an inventive one, let us know that as well. Hello? Tech podcasts.you, Kelly?
29:05 Well, let's just jump quickly into the mailbag. Um, before I went to Japan and we did discuss how these spires of English churches were being used to help extend the broadband coverage in rural areas. And I asked how else churches around the world might have been embracing technology. Jacob Roatan is one of our regular listeners and patrons to explain how his parish in the US is adopting tech, which was really interesting. And I've, I've cut down the metal a little bit because it was quite long, but Jacob says the primary, primary way that we use tech in my setting is streaming our entire service on facebook live. We have three or four folks who use it regularly because they're home-bound or otherwise unable to attend. Now, we've also had a few folks who've used it on occasions when they've been out of town. One member had a meeting out of state and was overjoyed that he was able to watch his children in the Christmas play.
29:49 While waiting for a flight in an apple, facebook live initially began as a mobile only venture, so we had used my phone since we began, but I've been pushing for us to switch to a computer with a mounted camera so we can take advantage of our sound system, the quality for the phone. It's certainly possible, but it's nowhere near the audio video quality that I could have with a more permanent setup. We've also started to experiment with some targeted advertising on facebook. They provided us with $30 of credit to try it out and we saw a significant improvement. Overall organic impressions. We've only just begun, so it's difficult to say what sort of an impact this might have a or if it will translate to new folks joining us. This is something we'll continue to experiment with and then Jacob included three examples here of things that he's learnt so far in case anyone else is looking to try something similar.
30:33 He says, one, we had to update our music licensing to cover live streaming. Most of our music is public domain or covered by a standard license, but our choir and paid musicians typically use new ish music that we were told we could be potentially liable for litigation without the pro, the appropriate license. It also says it can be surprising when you find an audience. What surprised me most is that we have several folks who watch our service from Costa Rica. There are two explanations for this. We may well have actual people in Costa Rica watching our service, or we could have a clever parishioner who roots their traffic through a vpn using a Costa Rican ip address. Um, he also said that for now, live streaming works best over mobile instead of Wifi. Um, but he reckons with a hardwired connection that'll probably be more stable in the long run.
31:18 Really interesting stuff. You know, I'm not a church goer and neither is Andy, but I'm, I'm speaking on his behalf. I know this because he's my brother. Um, but I, I, I'm fascinated by all the ways that, you know, such a very old and traditional, um, I want to say community, but I mean the church in general, um, how it's adopting a new technology and adapting to modern opportunities, some of the, some of those things as well. Uh, I know you've talked extensively about on the show with, um, sort of the, the 20 first century classroom in ways that people need to come together, uh, to, uh, to learn and discuss whether that's math, English and science or the word of Jesus Christ. Um, but the concept is to say people need to come together so that technology is helping sort of both groups of people in very similar ways. Yeah. And we, as you say, we've had some great discussions about that around the importance of people being present in a classroom as opposed to just distance learning and learning via video conferencing, skype and things like that. So I, I agree. Well thanks very much Jacob, for writing in with the such an interesting response to the question. Um, let's check in with another American. Our good friend Tom Merritt over daily tech news show, Tom what's been going on in the wide world of tech this week,
32:40 this week on daily tech news show. We follow the saga of Broadcom, qualcomm briefly until and then the US government ends the whole thing. Talk about why Ikea is beginning assembly service in the US. Discuss Youtube is moderation policies, talking about whether a decentralized Web, Aka web three point Oh, is on the horizon and decide if we want our brains preserved for later upload, especially since they have to kill you to do it. All that and much, much more living stuff. That daily tech news show.com. Thank you Tom. And this is your point. This is your,
33:13 the moment you've been waiting for this, for the last half an hour. Tell everyone where they can find you online. What should they be looking out for from you this week? You can find me on twitter and instagram with battery and close, Cnet Dot com for the techniques that we do. Um, I've got a few really cool things coming up. Last week I spent four days driving a, a very nice McLaren's supercar back through the Swiss Alps with a gung-ho, so nine plus in my hand to do a side by side road test. Um, that's turning into one hell of a feature actually. So, um, it's taken a little bit of time to get up, but do keep your eye on, um, probably my social channels if you're at all interested in super phones or super cars or both. I do hope you put the phone down while you are driving that.
34:00 Mclaren, I can say with all honesty that I was, uh, I obeyed all the laws about driving and using phones, which made things extremely difficult when I had to set up a phone on a tripod in the car when I'm pulled over in a by. Set it recording and then drive for about 40 minutes until I get to the next layer by, which means I've got lots and lots of extremely long video files where I may only want about six seconds from each. Um, or a little bit of a sort of speaking to camera that I might want to use. Um, but trying to actually dig that out of these huge files, um, is proven so far to be a horrible, horrible task. And thanks very much for joining us. And thank you everyone for listening, for listening and for supporting as a Patriot [inaudible] dot com forward slash UK tech. Hopefully we'll have ian back in his usual nest next week and until then we will continue to exist as we'll hopefully you all total pip.